Summit in Pyr to Discuss the Kitin Invasions - transcription

[elfmatic]

Thank you for demonstrating my point so well. I don't think I could of told you to write something better to prove my point. One the one hand you preach how we all have to unite for one cause. Then you turn around and say that some guilds are needed.

I said no such thing and your comment only goes to further prove that you're clinically insane.

~Elf

[elfmatic]

Had we know that the Game developers would bring out thier GAINT NERF BAT
we would have made the trip pre-patch but i think we were having fun where were also some people have JOBS. you know the thing that makes money!!!

I will have to work 10 days stright over Thanksgiving for a min of 12 hours a day + my drive time...... that means 15 hours a day. that leaves me 9 hours to go to sleep get my meals ready for work and take care of my animals.


so let me see do i have 30+hours to try to get to another area........

i guess not

so Elf go find you little Bow and arrow play gauntlet and shoot the food you need for health and leave people who work for a living.. no Fast food jobs are not a living... and enjoy your high school years and if you are out of high school GROW_UP. That is the nicest thing anyone will ever say to you in the Real world!!!!!!!!!!

Wow... such anger.

I'm sorry to hear that you have to work on Thanksgiving. I had to give up a job like that because I didn't want to spend so much time away from my kids. I don't make as much money now, but I'm happier being at home.

As far as it taking 30+ hours to make it to another land... I think our record for crossing Bounty Beaches was 8 minutes, had something to do with the seasons I think. Saturday we had 3 or 4 wipes going from Zorai to Tryker... I think it took us maybe 2 hours... Mekos would know better.

I didn't make the meeting either because every Sunday my family drives across down to have dinner with my wife's family. I've only missed it a few times and didn't really feel like this event warranted it.

Honestly Buz you're jumping in the middle of something for no good reason. If you're a member of Raynes guild I apologize for insulting your guild (I don't recall which guild he's in, maybe I'll go look it up) the comment was purely aimed at Raynes and never would have been made if he didn't constantly instigate stuff. I know, a bigger man would just walk away, but from time to time I like to indulge in a little pettiness and toy with the emotions of the violently emotional. Especially those emotional beyond reason.

~Elf

[jdiegel]

Raynes is my guild.

The insults are funny.

Edit: For the record, he's a incredibly helpfull guild member too.

[raynes]

Honestly Buz you're jumping in the middle of something for no good reason. If you're a member of Raynes guild I apologize for insulting your guild (I don't recall which guild he's in, maybe I'll go look it up) the comment was purely aimed at Raynes and never would have been made if he didn't constantly instigate stuff.
~Elf

The funny thing about this responce elf is that you originally wrote that comment with the thought that I play alone in the game, that no one likes me, that the guild i am a part of must not be dedicated or even popular players. All of which are really way off base. See contrary to what you think, the entire game does not hate me.

I'd suggest the next time you decide to make a comment like you did, think about what you are saying before you say it.

[zzeii]

As far as it taking 30+ hours to make it to another land... I think our record for crossing Bounty Beaches was 8 minutes, had something to do with the seasons I think. Saturday we had 3 or 4 wipes going from Zorai to Tryker... I think it took us maybe 2 hours... Mekos would know better.

Took 3 hours total, most spent in ToT due to kitin patrols, which is understandable fielding larger groups. BB was a breeze crossing if you take the long way and swing around to the southern outposts and up the east wall.

[elfmatic]

The funny thing about this responce elf is that you originally wrote that comment with the thought that I play alone in the game, that no one likes me, that the guild i am a part of must not be dedicated or even popular players. All of which are really way off base. See contrary to what you think, the entire game does not hate me.

I'm so glad to hear that! So then, here's an idea, why don't you get all of these friends of yours together and make the trek through the other lands and stop pissing and moaning that you can't make it? I think they're holding a popularity contest in Matis next weekend, maybe you could enter? I'm afraid I won't be attending as I don't give a f*#$ about popularity and only care about playing with other people that don't create drama over every little issue like you do. And as far as being dedicated to the game, good for you. Personally I'm dedicated to my wife and kids and play this or any game for fun. Hating you is just my hobby and I can do that solo or in a group, doesn't matter much which.

I'd suggest the next time you decide to make a comment like you did, you learn to spell "response" correctly.

~Elf

[brackish]

What was the name of this thread again? What topic are we actually discussing?
Was it that 15 homes burned down last year because of inept people attempting to fry their turkey for thanksgiving?

oh well.....

[splatula]

Looks like we have some heated discussion here.

Raynes: First off I understand what he is saying, even if he doesn't articulate it very well. He may very well speak a language other than English, so we should be nice when it comes time to explain what we meant when we wrote such and such, and try to read into what he's saying a little more. For Instance

One the one hand you preach how we all have to unite for one cause. Then you turn around and say that some guilds are needed.

Now I'm not sure what this means. But I think what Raynes is trying to say is that people seem more interested in leading the entire world of Atys with their guilds than in working with other guilds.

Pandorae: She had some good ideas at the meeting, and role-played to the hilt. The only thing I had a problem with was the signifigance comment. It's not exactly diplomatic to say, everyone of signifiance is here. People take offence specifically to that one word. Basically you are saying that your guild is the viable Zoran guild. I imagine there are guilds in my hometown I haven't even seen yet. And while they may not have gained as much exp as you or I have so far, that doesn't mean they won't someday overtake us. The matter of being able to cross is a simple question of exp and grouping-up and has little to do with someones viability as a guild this early in the game.

The reason we've requested a guild officer chat is ease of use. Yes it's a dev question, but considering all the content they are adding and changing it is hardly unreasonable, expecially when you KNOW that Nevrax was watching the whole proceedings. The only other issue is that of targeting friends and guildmates while they are in another area of the map, this whole having to see people to find them sucks. Yelling marco polo is hardly a good way to navigate, or get noobs into a battle when they don't know the landscape.


As for representation, just because we have no real government right now, does not mean we cannot form one. There is a reason for organization, if every player had gone to the meeting it would be chaos, no one would have been heard. That is why there is such a thing as representation, so people who may not be leaders and people who cannot make it will be represented. As for those who don't care to be represented, who cares about them... if they don't want to play with us then they can go solo or in a non-associated guild. No one is forcing you to take part in the council, so if you don't like it, don't go. By the same token, those that represent shouldn't make blanket statements, and should only claim leadership over areas they have been explicitly given. Pretentious remarks like I am the only link for diplomacy don't help.

I think we can all agree that those that wish representation can and will be represented, if they need help to get to a meeting they should ASK. If you need an escort through our territories ASK. The meeting was a meeting of guilds, while the Fyroans hosted, nobody asked them for an escort (though there were some guilds that did help escort regardless). I would have been more than happy to meet you at the gates Raynes. You see in Fyros we don't have a government to handle organized things like guarding and escorting people, so it's up to individual guilds right now. Together we can be very powerful, like voltron. Each race has a specialty, and together they form... a powerful alliance. (bet you thought I was going to say a giant robot didn't you?) Those that don't want to ally can go around doing whatever they like, and we will all watch the Kitin invade and have a blast fighting them.


-Oroboroed
Fyroan Guildmaster
Joe's Hotdog n Bagpipe Emporium
(shared acct. with WackyAnne)

[dc77066]

What was the name of this thread again? What topic are we actually discussing?
Was it that 15 homes burned down last year because of inept people attempting to fry their turkey for thanksgiving?

oh well.....

Yes, Frying turkeys is very dangerous. If given the choice 9 out of 10 turkeys prefer not to be fried.

Back to the subject at hand... The summit wasn't an end-all. Very little was agreed upon but for the obvious:

1. Kitins are going to attack, in large force, without negotiation, without prejudice.

2. The treks between the lands must continue so that anyone able to raise a weapon, cast a spell, craft or even harvest mats can be called to action.

3. The defense of our land can not be successful if its done by a small fraction of the populace no matter how large a single guild is. The unguilded and guilded alike, regardless of race or faction must be willing to come to the aide of each other and stand against a common enemy.

#2 is key to #3. Many have offered to aide in the security of the convoys. Several stand-out as proven convoy leaders. No one says you have to dedication 8-14 consecutive hours to a convoy. If the convoys are regular and their schedules communicated you simply need to get to the "next" land. With teleporter tickets you can zip back to your native land and zip to the last completed leg of the trek and aim for the next.

I, for one, am still without a Zorai ticket. Once I have one I will offer my blade and my life in its defense. I won't go as far as calling the blue people my brother or agree that their obsession with the Kami is healthy but I will not sit idle as the Kitin slaughter them.

Lets prepare for something other than a battle of wits. Lets prepare for something worth winning.

[jdiegel]

One thing I will add is that I talked to one Zorai guild leader, in a slightly above current average size guild, who had no clue about the summit until I asked if they were sending somebody. I also talked to another guild leader of a smaller guild who had no clue it had taken place.

If Nevrax is going to continue to do things like this they need to work on their communication. Most players don't read the forums or, even if they do, not to the extent some of us do, and can miss some things that some of us tend to assume everybody knows. Being active in the forums shouldn't be a prerequisite to being involved in the game. Especially given the amount of crap one has to deal with and sift through in any MMORPG forum.

Yes, Nevrax did do a little MOTD thing a couple of time shortly before the meeting started but that's hardly enough notice for something of this nature. Plus, they do have that ingame mail system. I don't see why they don't automaticaly send a notice to all players after they have posted the event notification here.