Sorry these are a little late, they took far more trouble than I'd thought. If anyone has anything to add, please let me know!
Thanks to Oroboroed, of the growing Fyros Guild "Joe's Hotdog & Bagpipe Emporium" for the screenies.
Please be advised as well, that Guild Melinoe was in no way against these talks, and that in fact many of our members and officers assisted in the trek around Atys in order that many delegates had the opportunity to attend. Unfortunately some members left the summit in frustration, too early to see what could be accomplished.
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Summit in Pyr to Discuss the Kitin Invasions - transcription
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Summit in Pyr to Discuss the Kitin Invasions - transcription
Last edited by splatula on Tue Nov 16, 2004 5:29 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Summit in Pyr to Discuss the Kitin Invasions - transcription
I just have to say that this is without a doubt the stupidest question I have ever read:
Hesperos: Are there any guilds that do not have representation on stage?
lol
On a side note, I can see that this meeting produced a lot of progress. We have some guilds and players that insist they speak for all of their race (even if no one said they should). We have people leaving in disgust because some make rules to appoint certain leaders. Upon their leaving they are called jerks. We have some who say they are the only link to diplomacy (still rolling my eyes at that one). All in all I think you guys have done a great job of showing exactly why this idea of everyone united won't work. Or at least it won't work the way some wish, with a few being the leaders and everyone being united under them.
Good job!
Hesperos: Are there any guilds that do not have representation on stage?
lol
On a side note, I can see that this meeting produced a lot of progress. We have some guilds and players that insist they speak for all of their race (even if no one said they should). We have people leaving in disgust because some make rules to appoint certain leaders. Upon their leaving they are called jerks. We have some who say they are the only link to diplomacy (still rolling my eyes at that one). All in all I think you guys have done a great job of showing exactly why this idea of everyone united won't work. Or at least it won't work the way some wish, with a few being the leaders and everyone being united under them.
Good job!
Last edited by raynes on Tue Nov 16, 2004 6:41 am, edited 1 time in total.
Re: Summit in Pyr to Discuss the Kitin Invasions - transcription
raynes wrote:I just have to say that this is without a doubt the stupidest question I have ever read:
Hesperos: Are there any guilds that do not have representation on stage?
lol
raynes he was talking about the guilds that showed up, so the question wasn't stupid, you would know this if you went.
Re: Summit in Pyr to Discuss the Kitin Invasions - transcription
Then he asked the wrong question. Even if you did attend the event and you thought it was great, you have to admit asking who isn't there was kind of a stupid question.stormasp wrote:raynes he was talking about the guilds that showed up, so the question wasn't stupid, you would know this if you went.
Re: Summit in Pyr to Discuss the Kitin Invasions - transcription
Yet again ... taking things out of context.
In light of the fact that all Zorans present (and not AFK) were dispatched to scan the planet for the assassin, I was the single remaining link to Zoran policy. Since every Zoran guild of significance was either present or had openly stated such things as "Have your little meeting", (possibly excepting Pilgrims?) none of the guild leaders had any problem with me standing as figurehead for Zorai. This was covered in multiple conversations that are not transcripted since they were held either in tells, teamspeak, or team chat.
In the future, if you plan on complaining ... try to ask some questions so that you might support your complaints.
Zoran forces sacrificed their physical presence at this meeting so that we might attempt to cut this particular assassin down before he caused more trouble. They were all still fully in contact with any new events (pretty much none) that came to bear as the meeting went on. Those Zorans present held quorum and decided that we will be a race of action rather than one of beauracracy. This will be the policy of the guilds present. I anticipate that there will be those outliers who would rather talk the day away than do something productive. So be it.
The strong shall lead in action.
In light of the fact that all Zorans present (and not AFK) were dispatched to scan the planet for the assassin, I was the single remaining link to Zoran policy. Since every Zoran guild of significance was either present or had openly stated such things as "Have your little meeting", (possibly excepting Pilgrims?) none of the guild leaders had any problem with me standing as figurehead for Zorai. This was covered in multiple conversations that are not transcripted since they were held either in tells, teamspeak, or team chat.
In the future, if you plan on complaining ... try to ask some questions so that you might support your complaints.
Zoran forces sacrificed their physical presence at this meeting so that we might attempt to cut this particular assassin down before he caused more trouble. They were all still fully in contact with any new events (pretty much none) that came to bear as the meeting went on. Those Zorans present held quorum and decided that we will be a race of action rather than one of beauracracy. This will be the policy of the guilds present. I anticipate that there will be those outliers who would rather talk the day away than do something productive. So be it.
The strong shall lead in action.
Last edited by pandorae on Tue Nov 16, 2004 9:45 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Summit in Pyr to Discuss the Kitin Invasions - transcription
He was asking about guilds having a representative on the stage, as opposed to down in front of it with everyone else...
Re: Summit in Pyr to Discuss the Kitin Invasions - transcription
pandorae wrote: In light of the fact that all Zorans present (and not AFK) were dispatched to scan the planet for the assassin, I was the single remaining link to Zoran policy. Since every Zoran guild of significance was either present or had openly stated such things as "Have your little meeting", (possibly excepting Pilgrims?) none of the guild leaders had any problem with me standing as figurehead for Zorai.
First of all your statement of "Zoran guild of significance was either present or had openly stated such things as "Have your little meeting"" is completely incorrect. My guild sent a representive that could not complete the trip. We had intended to have repsentation at that meeting. I can assure you that if our representive were there, she would not of approved to you standing as anything for the entire Zoran population. We are a Zoran guild, you are not a member of our guild, as such you have no buisness speaking for our guild or the Zoran people. That is for us to do and us alone to do.
1) You are not, nor ever will be a figurehead for the Zorai population as a whole.
2) You are not, nor ever will be a speaker for the Zorai population as a whole.
3) You have no buisness making such statements. The Zorai are a free people. We have never elected a head of state, president, prime minister, or any other central authoritive figure. You are not the mother of the Zorai. You are not the Queen of the Zorai. So do not overstep you place in Zoran society as someone who is something they are not.
I would also like to remind you that there were guilds not there and there are players without guilds that were not there. Just because they were absent does not mean that they approve of you acting as a representive of them.
Now you will probably say "They weren't at the meeting so they need someone to speak for them". Well that is completly incorrect. Maybe the fact that some weren't at the meeting (or left the meeting) is the message they wish to send. Do you think that it's proper for you to say you are representing someone who wishes their very absence to be a message they don't want to be a part of that meeting?
This isn't the first time you have done this either. So for the last time DO NOT ACT LIKE YOU OR YOUR GUILD ARE A REPRESENTITIVE OF THE ZORAI POPULATION AS A WHOLE. It's wrong, it's out of line, and in no way, shape, or form in the least bit true.
Re: Summit in Pyr to Discuss the Kitin Invasions - transcription
Ok, that clears things up a bit. That wasn't really clear when reading it.aelvana wrote:He was asking about guilds having a representative on the stage, as opposed to down in front of it with everyone else...
Re: Summit in Pyr to Discuss the Kitin Invasions - transcription
following the summit i took the action i thought best and brought the summation of the meeting to matis as a messenger.
I do not believe in speaking on behalf of people whom do not wish third party representation...maybe it would be wise for members of other lands who attended the meeting to bring the discussion back home to their people.
just my two cents as to what i figured the best course of action could have been for those unable to make it. our meeting in matis went over very well and i feel that those who wanted to participate in the summit but were unable to were satisfied.
I do not believe in speaking on behalf of people whom do not wish third party representation...maybe it would be wise for members of other lands who attended the meeting to bring the discussion back home to their people.
just my two cents as to what i figured the best course of action could have been for those unable to make it. our meeting in matis went over very well and i feel that those who wanted to participate in the summit but were unable to were satisfied.