Summit in Pyr to Discuss the Kitin Invasions - transcription

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Raynes,
If you could have had a representative there (I may open the floodgates with this one) What would your ideas on this unification have been? (besides your choice on having your ambassador to the Kitin be Henry David Thoreau)

Also, if your lands are invaded by the Kitin and your towns lie in ruin, would you not want us to come to your aid? Would you not come to our aid if we beckoned you? If you would, the what in the world do you actually have against what Pandorae said at that meeting other than the fact that she did the best she could to help represent the Zorai people.

It has been stated by you many times that you are upset that you could not have a representative there, we understand. Lets now move on.

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I do not usually get this worked up or confrontational, it just sometimes you lash out and show a lot of negativity. We have come together to help move this game along. To have large groups of people with easy access to other areas in times of dire need is an asset.
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(edit) BTW, Thank you Spatula for putting this together, very good job.

[raynes]

Raynes,
If you could have had a representative there (I may open the floodgates with this one) What would your ideas on this unification have been? (besides your choice on having your ambassador to the Kitin be Henry David Thoreau)

Also, if your lands are invaded by the Kitin and your towns lie in ruin, would you not want us to come to your aid? Would you not come to our aid if we beckoned you? If you would, the what in the world do you actually have against what Pandorae said at that meeting other than the fact that she did the best she could to help represent the Zorai people.

It has been stated by you many times that you are upset that you could not have a representative there, we understand. Lets now move on.

I don't like Pandorea, that is a well known fact. That is not why I make the point about one person being representive for all Zorai. My own guild leader, Auriga, if he all of a sudden said one day that he was speaking for all of the Zoraii I would lay into him the same way I have Pandorea.

You make the statement that she did the best should could to represent the Zorai people. Well no one asked her to do that. She has no business representing anyone or anything except herself and the guild she is in charge of. It doesn't matter if I agree or disagree with what she said, it matters that she that somehow feels it's ok to step up and act as some sort of official representive of everyone. She is not in my guild, she has no knowledge of what my guild is about, or what are goals and purpose are. She has no knowledge of any of my goals or my beliefs in the game. Therefore she has no place representing me or my guild.

Last time I checked me and my guild were part of the Zorai population. Last time I checked we serve just as much of a purpose to the game as her and her guild. Her statement that every guild of significance was at the meeting was a blatent slap in the face and disrespect for my guild. It demonstrated all to well that she doesn't have a clear understanding of what the Zorai population is made of or what they are thinking. It's not only the fact that she pretty much made the comment about significant guilds. It's that she didn't take the time to consider there might be situations where representives were sent but could not complete the journey. Instead she automatically assumed that if people weren't there then they didn't want to be a part of it, therefore it was ok to speak for everyone.

Grandma made and execellent point. She doesn't want to speak for everyone. especially those who don't want her to represent them. Instead she decided to take the discussion that happened at the meeting and bring it back for more discussion within her race. That isn't the case with certain players and guilds within the Zorai. They feel they have some sort of right to decide what all of Zorai does, no matter if others agree with them or not.

No one Zorai has the right to annouce they speak for all. And everytime someone makes that announcement they are way out of place.



As for your question concerning unification... This is my own opinion and in no way is the opinion of my guild.

I don't believe in unification. Why? Because none of the races are truely interested in such a thing. A prime example is the Fryos support of this meeting. The Fryos say a summit is being held, they did nothing in the way of offering protection to those going to the event. I'm not even talking about in the Roots either. How many Fryos guards met delegates at the borders to their lands? How many militray were assigned as security at the meeting? The Fryos did NOTHING to provide support for meeting concerning unification. So if the Fryos Governement isn't going to put some effort forth, then why should I?

Heck even internally with in the Zorai society. The basic atmosphere is one of you either join in and do as some want, or you are an outcast to be ignored. There is no talk of joing together as one. And of course some will say they have tired. Which is a stretch of the truth. The attempts that have been made so far aren't to treat all guilds and all citizens as equals. No, the attempts thus far have been of certain individuals and guilds appointing themselves powers to be, while smaller guilds are looked down upon and discounted. I can tell you right now from what I have heard, read, and observed if a meeting was held by Pan or some other guilds leaders my guild would not be given the chance to state our case nor would we be viewed as equals.

To prove my point even more I'll take a suggestion (and one that people seemed to agree upon) from that meeting. That was the suggestion of having meeting and a chat channel only for guild leaders and officiers. One or a few people made the point that was not fair because it left out non-guild players. That point was pretty much thrown aside and the idea of a exclusive meeting and chat channel was pushed forward. Is this Unity among all Homins? No it's more of "we decide what is going to happen and you go along with it or else". There was no concern for the players who are not in a guild. There was no concern for players who are in a guild but still want to observe and hear what is decided. The only concern was that a small group have the power to do as they want and make everyone go along with it.


You want Unity... then start acting like you want it. Until that time I want nothing to do with this so called Unity, that in fact is anything but that.


***And just so you know my opinion isn't because I won't be a part of those meeting and that chat channel. I am an officier in my guild as such I would be able to be a part of it.

[elfmatic]

First of all your statement of "Zoran guild of significance was either present or had openly stated such things as "Have your little meeting"" is completely incorrect. My guild sent a representive that could not complete the trip.

I think by the fact that your representative wasn't capable of making it to Fyros lands is evidence that your guild isn't significant.

Oh yeah, and within Zorai society there is a lot of talk about joining together, just not with you.

~Elf

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First let me say thanks for giving a somewhat civil reply.

How many Fryos guards met delegates at the borders to their lands? How many militray were assigned as security at the meeting? The Fryos did NOTHING to provide support for meeting concerning unification. So if the Fryos Governement isn't going to put some effort forth, then why should I?

I was one of the fortunate delegates from our guild to make it on the trip that Zzei provided. When we reached the first step of Fyros territory, we were greeted by what appeared to be 5-10 Fyros individuals that i did not see at the time we set out from Yrkanis. They then led us directly to Pyr and gave thanks to us for coming.

That was the suggestion of having meeting and a chat channel only for guild leaders and officiers. One or a few people made the point that was not fair because it left out non-guild players. That point was pretty much thrown aside and the idea of a exclusive meeting and chat channel was pushed forward.

I may be mistaken, but this would really be a development issue. To bring this up at this type of meeting was out of a roleplaying context and could actually not be relied upon as a element that would be implemented any time soon. The devs are working heavily on other aspects of the game and although i think they would bow to our wishes in this exception, i believe most of us were trying to find a player made way of uniting the forces of Atys.
However, if Mynias did say "You need to find a world chat for you all to speak on young Atysians!" I may just follow.

Also, i did leave after Rakujitsu listed off the 5 Items that were covered and i dont believe that was one of the ones we all came to a concensus on.
But I will review the transcript that Spatula has provided.

[raynes]

I think by the fact that your representative wasn't capable of making it to Fyros lands is evidence that your guild isn't significant.

Oh yeah, and within Zorai society there is a lot of talk about joining together, just not with you.

~Elf

Thank you for demonstrating my point so well. I don't think I could of told you to write something better to prove my point. One the one hand you preach how we all have to unite for one cause. Then you turn around and say that some guilds are needed.

[raynes]

I may be mistaken, but this would really be a development issue. To bring this up at this type of meeting was out of a roleplaying context and could actually not be relied upon as a element that would be implemented any time soon. The devs are working heavily on other aspects of the game and although i think they would bow to our wishes in this exception, i believe most of us were trying to find a player made way of uniting the forces of Atys.
However, if Mynias did say "You need to find a world chat for you all to speak on young Atysians!" I may just follow.

Also, i did leave after Rakujitsu listed off the 5 Items that were covered and i dont believe that was one of the ones we all came to a concensus on.
But I will review the transcript that Spatula has provided.

It's the thought behind the comment that sends the message.

[buzyb77]

I think by the fact that your representative wasn't capable of making it to Fyros lands is evidence that your guild isn't significant.

Oh yeah, and within Zorai society there is a lot of talk about joining together, just not with you.

~Elf

Had we know that the Game developers would bring out thier GAINT NERF BAT
we would have made the trip pre-patch but i think we were having fun where were also some people have JOBS. you know the thing that makes money!!!

I will have to work 10 days stright over Thanksgiving for a min of 12 hours a day + my drive time...... that means 15 hours a day. that leaves me 9 hours to go to sleep get my meals ready for work and take care of my animals.


so let me see do i have 30+hours to try to get to another area........

i guess not

so Elf go find you little Bow and arrow play gauntlet and shoot the food you need for health and leave people who work for a living.. no Fast food jobs are not a living... and enjoy your high school years and if you are out of high school GROW_UP. That is the nicest thing anyone will ever say to you in the Real world!!!!!!!!!!

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raynes you droped on your head as a baby?...

[raynes]

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raynes you droped on your head as a baby?...

What kind of question is that?

[euwest]

the people that show up get to talk. those who don't wont have any say in the matters discussed. this is how it is in the real world as well raynes and buzzybwhatever. i had work during the meeting as well(yes, work on a sunday omg!). i don't agree with what was said there either but i wasn't there to voice my opinions so i lose.

working on thanksgiving, i wish i was you. i'm going to have to suffer through a night with relatives... *shiver*