ignore the KA propaganda

[arfindel]

I am fairly certain I could find people within AA that would create alts or use their normal characters to help out in supporting a nonkami, neutral player centered program.

Ummm... waiting ... go ahead, surprise me

[danolt]

I don't much like your omission of the word 'nonkara' as well as nonkami Pero, it starts you off on the wrong foot from the start Maybe i'm being picky, well I probably am. But actions speak waaay louder words. I love the idea..go do it..i'll help...whatever. Cool

Kodel

Very valid point. It takes communication, patience and lots of good advice to set these things up.

I have Pero and AA centered deeply within the lore of the game and that is a pretty full time "job". It is not easy for me to step outside of that anymore. It would be hard to remember to reach out to the other side in times of need. And I doubt I am the only one, perhaps that is why there was no attempt at communication with 40+% of the player base before attacking it and calling it evil misbegotten, greedy, swine.

If there was/is a need for more assistance to run community projects, it would be a good idea to let people know about that.

In the meantime, I seriously doubt there is any guild Kami or Karavan that would refuse help to any non aggressive player. I suspect every older player has several out of guild friends that they support with equipment, time and advice.

Pero

[lathan]

In the meantime, I seriously doubt there is any guild Kami or Karavan that would refuse help to any non aggressive player. I suspect every older player has several out of guild friends that they support with equipment, time and advice.

See... here's part of the difference. It's the caveat: "any non aggressive player". I take it your definition of "agressive" is someone who would attack your OP. I would (and do, regularly) help out people from "agressive" guilds, even those with far more to give than I have, and rarely expect anything in return, only usually when I am giving something I can barely afford to give. I think since I started playing I've outright refused to help one person only.

That, as far as I and many others are concerned, is just being a regular player and a part of this community. To far too many, that would just be silly behaviour "why would I help my enemy! lolz!", and to some, Brave for example, it's not nearly enough. So, if you really believe you can play more selflessly than that, give it a go, see if you do have the strength of character to keep it up, and see if you never make a mistake along the way.

[danolt]

Help was a poor choice of words, I meant more along the lines of special equipment, rare mats etc...

It would be interesting if we could have a discussion without the continual personal attacks on me the person sitting behind the keyboard. Apparently I lack morality because the character I play, Pero follows the Lore and feels that the those who would cover the face of an entire race and wish to enslave or destroy us all should be stopped.

I understand that many could care less about the history and culture of Atys. I would argue strongly that those of us who do care are not lacking real life "strength of character."

[347721]

pero , have you not been reading the posts The OP was raffled off to ANYONE who was involved in the war : ) The intent was to releive some of the time spent by ONE player in giving her time:/ Not to advance anyone of any faction!!! Based on what you are saying no player can step outside the box and be fair.. So maybe we need to look into the current CSR program also. Seems to me most are KA? But wait somehow they can manage to seperate from their main char's feeling and thoughts!!!

[dakhound]

So maybe we need to look into the current CSR program also. Seems to me most are KA? But wait somehow they can manage to seperate from their main char's feeling and thoughts!!!

no evidence

and even so, wth has it got to do with this

[lathan]

Help was a poor choice of words, I meant more along the lines of special equipment, rare mats etc...

Well, so did I...

It would be interesting if we could have a discussion without the continual personal attacks on me the person sitting behind the keyboard. Apparently I lack morality because the character I play, Pero follows the Lore and feels that the those who would cover the face of an entire race and wish to enslave or destroy us all should be stopped.

I understand that many could care less about the history and culture of Atys. I would argue strongly that those of us who do care are not lacking real life "strength of character."

That was in no way intended to be a slur on your personal character, and wasn't adressed as specifically to you as you surmised. I should perhaps have stated more clearly.. I couldn't begin to imagine doing what Brave does with the Farmers. It takes a very strong commitment to the community, and is sometimes far more thankless than it should be (I remember many a /tell from zysha back when she was dealing with all that went along with running these OPs.. a lot of it wasn't pretty).

So no, it wasn't meant to be a personal attack on the person puling Pero's strings. I don't know enough of that character to make a statement either way, after all. And I wasn't necessarily saying you couldn't do it either. Read it more, perhaps, like this: I believe you (and not just you) underestimate what an undertaking this is and how much time and effort it takes up. If you or your guildmates were to seriously think about doing something similar, be prepared for it to consume a vast amount of your time i.g, and test your patience along the way.

Apologies for the confusion.. fingers faster than brain sometimes.

[347721]

Oh now , your saying you can do what Brave can't ? So your alt is better than hers hahaha !!!

[danolt]

Let me see if I can get my major concern a bit more clear.

Perhaps in one of the other threads there has been a statement by Brave saying she would like to keep the community program separate from her aggressive Kami guild and this was just a faux pas.

But as of right now I have to assume that the community OP program will be used as a resource for further attacks on my friends and allies and that saddens me.

[347721]

Call me crazy , but I think she has enough friends she does not need to use anything to get suppoort..... Most people know her for her kind nature: )