ignore the KA propaganda

[bgraz]

I have first hand knowledge of the community OP program and i just feel there is a real need for some discussion about this with the recent events here on atys.

First off i have an open question to any player past or present: has Braveganzar even denied a homin anything in her possession that they asked for?

next question: is there a memeber past or present in the KA that have asked Brave for community OP product that have been denied said product?

Next: The KA lost an OP to Braves main guild so now the whole communtiy OP program is being critisized by the KA, is there anyoneone in the community kami or kara that have asked the KA for OP product that have been denied?

Next: does anyone remember her idea for this? http://forums.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30735

Next: Why does the KA get so mad and try to smear some of the greatest homins to ever walk atys whenever they get one of their MANY MANY toys taken away..I understand their want for world domination, but when a q200 OP gets lost, why act like the world of generous people has suddenly ended and its all a kami ploy to screw the KA over, if my info is right..there were some Kami who fought against the attack

Next: Braves guild, the eye of atys has been around since day one here, and mabey, just mabey the members wanted an OP, nothing to do with faction, but for the guild to grow with. EoA as far as i believe will donate whatever they don't use from the OP to the community OP program, much like the fluffy bunnies and other guilds do.

Next: is there anyone benefiting from the community OP program that would like to see the KA just take those OPs out of spite because Braveganzar got an OP to add to thier already staggering number of held OP's>?

well i could go on and on..now i really need community feedback on this

[beaut666]

All I know is that she is one of those players that would literally give me anything I asked for, as long as she had it and it was hers to give. There are many players like her, and the only time I hear of them being talked about in a negative light is from someone on the opposite side of the factions.
Then again, what do I know?
Beau

[bgraz]

ok here its been over an hour since my post and onthy thing i've seen is another tread calling Baeu a tool for thinking mabey Brave did something ok..does anyone out there have something bad to say about her....I'm waiting
I know she musta screwed someone over for all the negative feelings about Malmont..so now i'm waiting..who and how has she hurt?????????

[kuroari]

okay i have no idea what happend? but who's picking on brave? i've never seen brave ever do anything worth getting angry at her over O.o she's one of the sweetest and most wonderful (if not most afk) homins i've ever met

i have no idea what happened and i'm talking before i read any other posts. brave has my support no matter what she does. anyone trying to defame her is gonna have to deal with me too. (not that i'm a very violent person or anything...)

*confused?*

[beaut666]

I love that : .."and most wonderful (if not most AFK)
Beau

[bgraz]

still waiting for response of anyone losing benefits from Braveganzar..seems theres NOONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

will the KA please respond here with an offical statement that they help the community and Brave is a staunch kami hell bent on ruining the community??????? I know you guys see this..please an official response from members, leaders, or whatever yuo guys have on top? seems you guys have a big problem with Brave and the community OP program and her actually winning her guild an OP..so i beg you KA please show proof that she is screwing the community over

[skifryan]

This is in no way an official statement of the KA, but seriously, this has nothing to do with us whining because we lost malmont.


The big problem here, is that for a long time these have been called "Community outposts." I am not saying that it is only for one half of the community, but lately, it has shown a little because the person who handles the outposts is Kami. Our problem is.. a "neutral guild" (Dune Farm Farmers) have used a "Community outpost" as a prize for one of the guilds that will help her atack a KA outpost. That was not a neutral attack, it was a kami attack. hy would you use a neutral outpost to gather attackers?

[danolt]

I don't think anyone has said that the community has been damaged. What has been said is the integrity of the Community OP program is no longer intact. Using an OP that was given to the "community" as a door prize for attacking another OP is not exactly a non biased, hands off position.

The guild that was attacked, are they not part of the community? Are the allies that they give their resources to not part of the community? Or is the community only those who accept the gifts controlled by the Eyes of Atys?

To not see this as an escalation of conflict is preposterous. To ask the friends that are allied with the guild that was attacked to see the community OP's as a nonthreat is a bit unrealistic. Again I do not think the community has been harmed, but it has most certainly been changed.

Pero

[vguerin]

Nobody has touched the so called community to date, they were left out of our gaming. Now these OP's are used as pawns by those entrusted to be the honest brokers and nobody see's this as taking it to another level ?

Did those who are neutral and not wanting into the OP wars gain anything ? No, they lost a "community oriented OP" because there were others willing to cross the line and break the trust of others for their own gain.

It's unprecedented... How can this not be seen as affecting the community OP program ?

[bgraz]

This is in no way an official statement of the KA, but seriously, this has nothing to do with us whining because we lost malmont.


The big problem here, is that for a long time these have been called "Community outposts." I am not saying that it is only for one half of the community, but lately, it has shown a little because the person who handles the outposts is Kami. Our problem is.. a "neutral guild" (Dune Farm Farmers) have used a "Community outpost" as a prize for one of the guilds that will help her atack a KA outpost. That was not a neutral attack, it was a kami attack. hy would you use a neutral outpost to gather attackers?

it was not a Kami attack it was a guild attack..kami are the only ones who would help with attack, because frankly the KA is not going to help attack another KA guild, do you get it now? why is it that because a guild attacks you it has to be for kami cause?the guild EyE of atys wanted an OP, they have been a guild since day one of game.
the leader runs community OP, but with EoA holding an OP they no longer need community OP rewards thus leaving more for others , infact they will have surplus in which to donate to community.
is losing Malmont gonna hurt the KA?, why is it such a big deal and why can't you see it from another PoV that its still gonna help community. and noone still answer my question if no karavan has benefitted from community OPs, and what part of the OPless community has the KA generously offered to help with nothing asked in return?