It's a PvP poll not a flame thread o_o

[totnkopf]

I agree the thread isn't past its best, yet...

can't be... I haven't even posted in it yet... and its a pvp thread!

[ajsuk]

All sounds good to me but I dunno how its going to do any good to your numbers 'problem'...

Theres diggers on both sides, are we going to have to agree numbers are something people are gunna have to sort themselves?

[vguerin]

Outposts are not factioned, but guild/alliances (proof: some karavan aligned guilds are fighting in "kami side" in op battles).
What you want is spires.

There is nobody following the tenets of the Karavan fighting on the Kami side, only those that must be too lazy to work Kami fame.

Another possibility would be to have the OPs 'wind down' and then get retaken by marauders so that there's more possibility for movement and exchange.

This would only lead to inter-guild battles to raise the THR again. It's pretty obvious the some guilds have enough organisation and trust in each other to do this. This idea solves NOTHING.

Think what you will, but its important. I've seen many battles won and lost because of politics.

Ding, Ding, Ding... this is underestimated bigtime.

[ajsuk]

lol @ DT, knew it was getting too quiet in here...

[kyesmith]

There is nobody following the tenets of the Karavan fighting on the Kami side, only those that must be too lazy to work Kami fame.

And what about neutrals?? I personally dont agree, to some people faction isnt everything, for me at least, if anyone attacked evolution for example i would always help defend.

[sprite]

I know I implied that I'd leave this alone, but I think this comment is too important to ignore... (and I'll try to be nice )

Like every single PVP implementaiton in every other "PVP for Terrirtory" game ever made, this one ends up dominated by the largest coherant group.

Why would or should it be otherwise? (edit to make things clear: the following aren't referring to SoR groups specifically, more in general as the post I'm referring to is talking about "every other pvp for territory game")

Numbers + organisation + teamwork = win.
Giving up + disorganisation + internal bickering + 'soloism' = lose.

I disagree when people say that the system itself is flawed, but I can at least understand why they're saying it. But this quote I don't get.

[ajsuk]

/signs - As I tried to get accross before, theres alot of work goes on behind the scenes...

[kyesmith]

I know I implied that I'd leave this alone, but I think this comment is too important to ignore... (and I'll try to be nice )Why would or should it be otherwise?

Numbers + organisation + teamwork = win.
Giving up + disorganisation + internal bickering + 'soloism' = lose.

lol intresting view of the situation, internal bickering and giving up are as a result of lack of numbers and demoralisation, and you cant really say that so smugly spriteh, the karavan are far far from perfect you only need to look at the fact some karavan and netural are attending outpost wars to fight against you.....

[m1nion]

no i wont even go there , this what started out as a good thread to read has just turned into the same drivel in so many other threads.

[mrshad]

lol @ DT, knew it was getting too quiet in here...

DT is dead right on this.

And the politics play a much more important role than levels.
Considering it can be a 3 month matter (or less) to get a combat skill to 250, after a short amount of time the actual combat values of most of the players are the same.

So, the key to winning in PvP is not levels or equipement as much as turnout.

And turnout is all politics.

From if the battles happen at all to how many people show up; it is all a matter of how you and your guild have fit into the community as a whole.
The "KA" is coherant because most of its memebers are willing to make short term sacrifices for long term gains. We are willing to trade cats for lesser quality ones in order to keep our relationships strong. We show up to each other's battles. We try to keep involved with the going-ons of our allied guilds. All of this requires some effort on the front end, but it pays off long term. It is politics.

This has it's ups and downs. I like the people on my side much more than I ever have. On the other hand, I am sure there are two or three Kamist I might like to get to know, and I will probably never have that chance.

There might even be some vile mercs who stubbornly keep saying that they are "neutral" that might not be so bad to hang out with; but as we run in completly different circles, it likely won't happen.