Zysha's Current Position on Southend Dunes Farm Op

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The list as posted was the list at time of transfer with addition of Nayr and Rhyanna and some others whose names escape me atm as has been a while now. Avila added to it but I don't who she added.

But again, I don't regard that the list should be the focus or the future.

What was passed on was a resource for those who had at the time I held the output by and large received nothing since launch, some hadn't even seen what a cat looked like until I gave them some in March, they were entirely excluded from participation in op content. There was no contract that persons on the list would into perpetuity be given cats from Southend Dunes Farm. The list changed even during the period I held the op. It was reduced from its original 9 by a guild folding and other guilds obtaining ops and has been added to since as noted above.

Forget the list. It should not go forward in its past form even were Avila here to inform us of who is currently on it for 2 reasons. One is Eley needs to set its own criteria as they are running the op now, not me. The other reason is that it needs to be continuously updated no matter what the criteria are as the circumstances of persons on it change and those of persons not currently on it become qualified to be on it.

I suggest starting from the ground up with how many cats and mats are we willing to give away each week. Look at the number and ask yourselves what you regard as the most relevant criterion/a by which to allocate them. However you choose to go about it, I think the new owners should make a fresh start in their own terms and forget the old list as those on it can add themselves to the new and delightfully clear public and accountable one :)

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Most Kami's are neutrals :P didn't you get the memo?...


Seriusly... Zysha... if you ever need help that I can provide give me a shout I'll do what ever I can to be there and help...

Final...Being Kami can be one of the most frustrating things in this whole game... But remember even tho you are out numbered.. you're not alone.I for one Put guild first ... because they are my family. But I am still a Kami.
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final60 wrote:I respect the fact that once you owned this OP, being nuetral and you saw fit to share with whom ever you saw fit. But the OP belongs to a Kami guild now, and every guild and every individual person bar one (as far as I can see) named on that list is Karavan.

I would put it to the current owners, that they are duty bound only to give away the op items with their own faction.

It seems that everyone is either Karavan or bloody Nuetral these days. Even most Kami are Nuetral it seems. Its annoying when a few Kami work so hard, and are constantly beat down by Karavan whos poopulation out numbers our own three to one. To see that a Kami guild is giving hand outs to Karavan Homins. Its insulting, to us and Ma Duk.

If Karavan guilds want hand outs, they should ask the karavan. Not expect Kami to hold up an agreement that a previous owner, not of their faction, once held.


Before I actually comment, please refer to this post:
http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.p ... post304048
The OP transfer from Zysha to Eleytheria was a peaceful hand over, not something that "a few Kami worked so hard" for. And while that may be true in a lot of cases game-wide, that's not what happened in this case. Zysha's policy of sharing was a policy that Eleytheria (per Avila) intended to continue. So before you start suggesting to Eleytheria what to do with the community OP one way or the other, do your research a bit.

As Zysha has also mentioned, the OP is Eleytheria's now. So if they do intend to amend or terminate the policy of sharing OP cats/mats, that is their prerogative. But the members of the have-nots who were on the list do deserve a bit of notice or clarification as to the up-to-date status of the previous sharing policy, so that we're not left wondering if we should still wait and wait for more cats/mats in the future, and whether we should continue to send inquiries to Eleytheria which may be unwelcome anymore. Less headache and intrusion on their time if such a clarification is made. (btw, since I'm just a lowly member, I'm not privy to discussions between leadership of Eley or my guild, so if such a clarification has been given in the past, then pls excuse me).

And lastly, what is so bad about helping and sharing with others, Kami or Kara or whatever? I don't know if this is a RP thing... it's all just made up, digital cults... no need to get frustrated over it.
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I would go into explaining why its frustrating to me at times but it would probably go into flame wars ...and as anyone who knows me knows. I hate flaming...AND I am going to bed I don't feel well and I'm tired... So ask me ingame sometime, and I'll see if I can't get you to understand :) .. goodnight all!
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I was under the impression that Eleytheria was a neutral guild, that had kami faction standing "only for the teleporters". If they are in fact a kami guild, rather than a neutral one with kamist fame for convenience, it's news to me.
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And lastly, what is so bad about helping and sharing with others, Kami or Kara or whatever? I don't know if this is a RP thing... it's all just made up, digital cults... no need to get frustrated over it.
From this statement alone I can tell you haven't been on Atys long. Karavan own around two thirds of the OPs. There are more kami guilds that don't own OPs then there are Karavan, so there are more Kami Have not's then there are Karavan. Almost everyone listed was Karavan.

I've been around along time. My frustration is warrented. Karavan can agree with that. It frustrates me to have to explain myself to an ignorant Karavan, that hasn't been around long enough to understand why I might be frustrated.
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The frustration question was aimed more at this quote
final60 wrote: Sorry if i'm sounding bossy. Just getting out some frustration. This isn't aimed at any individual.
but yea, the minute the Game starts becoming frustrating and stops being about fun, then maybe stepping back and away from the game to cool off might be in order.
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final60 wrote: I've been around along time. My frustration is warrented. Karavan can agree with that. It frustrates me to have to explain myself to an ignorant Karavan, that hasn't been around long enough to understand why I might be frustrated.
Please please please, I don't want to get into a flame war, as I know I'd get upset and it's not why I'm posting for. But really, before calling people names, do please do your research.

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I suggest you all calm down for the moment and wait to hear what eley agree's.

*IF* then you disagree with it, make your issues known

suspicions usually fall on neutral guild because who their friends are, sometimes we judge them on those they choose to associated with. If eley decide they are real kami (i.e not just for tp's) they will have the support of the Kami and the wrath of the caravaners association (mostly they cause tailbacks on busy country roads I think). In the opposite case where they stay neutral and hand out xstals/maga/flowers the status quo will be resumed and certain people will be happy.
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nonde wrote:It was: 1.35 x 250s, 16/17 and a bit 200s, 165-185 each of 150s and 100s, 25 wisdom flowers, and mat/s close to if not each time but not Q200 maga creeper each week. There were 5 crafters on crafter day who each received at least one Q200 maga creeper each too and the op didn't produce anything like 12 Q200s a week - it only made 3 in the final 2 weeks in fact at Q200 as the drill went on Q200 strike as I heard did some drills at other ops as well at that time, OotN op for one. VVV also received sizable donations of Q150 cats, strength flowers, and other mat/s as well when these were donated to our group. Taus wrote down what he was handing out in guild and can likely tell u precisely what was received, but was very very close to what I have described here.
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Thank you Zysha. That should give everyone involved a good sense of approximately what was distributed weekly. Taus no longer plays, although we have some contact with him still. We knew we received "donations" from folks, but I did not know they were sent by way of the community OP.
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