My thoughts on the KA

[sprite]

"OP's have become more 'AvNA' (Alliance vs. Non-Alliance) than GvG or FvF". That is exactly the point I was making....that the Alliance views Alliance-held OP's as "their own" and anyone attacking an Alliance OP will generally meet the majority of the Alliance on the battlefield.

Hmm, I refuted this sentence when you first said it but you've brought up another facet of it so I'll try again (hopefully without nitpicking )

That is indeed true in most cases, but in the same way "anyone attacking" a Fyros OP "will generally meet the majority of the" Kamist and Fyros Neutral guilds (*) "on the battlefield". Not too sure how this is any different

(*) Among others depending on the situation, and with the same provisions Sinera made in her post

[marct]

No one is stuck anywhere. If guild leadership is not discussing things with their members, that is within the guild, and the guild should deal with that.

Although you may not know about something being discussed, there are 2 distinct actions here that have specifiaclly been brought up. Iwojimmy could definitely bring up to his leadership that he would like to support Nexus. He could even work through with his guild leadership to see if this is possible. They could then talk on our forum about such things. Who is he to claim there are dire 'consequences' to him doing so with no prior knowledge to that affect? I would moreso say his perception is that there are dire consequences, and he has not tested the waters. (At least they have not been tested at the alliance level)

The second is not agreeing with something after it is done, and this to should be open for discussion.

[sehracii]

Thank you for kind of saying what I said when I stated..."OP's have become more 'AvNA' (Alliance vs. Non-Alliance) than GvG or FvF". That is exactly the point I was making....that the Alliance views Alliance-held OP's as "their own" and anyone attacking an Alliance OP will generally meet the majority of the Alliance on the battlefield. (for those that like to nit-pick, please notice I said "GENERALLY" meet the "MAJORITY" of the Alliance...I didn't say always, and I didn't say ALL).

I don't think that's true. If they set it up as a friendly battle ahead of time and didn't just turncoat, I think the allies would either split evenly between both sides or stay out altogether and make it pure GvG.

Edit: I'm merely arguing here that challenges within the KA are perrfectly acceptable. But you don't want to be sneaky about it, they're your allies.

And on a related note- if it was actually KA vs everyone else, there would be no complaints of our power because we'd always be losing. The KA is far from the majority of the server.

[lexi44]

I don't think that's true. If they set it up as a friendly battle ahead of time and didn't just turncoat, I think the allies would either split evenly between both sides or stay out altogether and make it pure GvG.

Not sure I'm following what you were disagreeing to, since I pretty much said the same thing you did in your previous post, lol.

Obviously though, if "arrangements" were made for a friendly GvG battle...I mean a *real* battle (not just the usual "hey, we're giving this OP over to so-and-so guild) then there wouldn't be any reason for KA to react in any way other than let it happen. To my knowledge this has never been done, and actually (as I've said elsewhere) I think it would be fun if this were done more.


(Gonna try an imbedded quote, hope I don't screw this up, lol)

"OP's have become more 'AvNA' (Alliance vs. Non-Alliance) than GvG or FvF". That is exactly the point I was making....that the Alliance views Alliance-held OP's as "their own" and anyone attacking an Alliance OP will generally meet the majority of the Alliance on the battlefield.

Hmm, I refuted this sentence when you first said it but you've brought up another facet of it so I'll try again (hopefully without nitpicking )

That is indeed true in most cases, but in the same way "anyone attacking" a Fyros OP "will generally meet the majority of the" Kamist and Fyros Neutral guilds (*) "on the battlefield". Not too sure how this is any different

(*) Among others depending on the situation, and with the same provisions Sinera made in her post

Hehehe Sprite, ya know I love ya to pieces and you are fun to debate stuff with!

I didn't really bring up a "different" facet it to it - this is what I've been saying all along, I'm just using different words to try to explain what I meant. I've never said there is anything inherently *wrong* with the KA protecting KA OP's...afterall, that's one of the reasons the KA ever came together to begin with.

The point I've been trying to make is that the KA has grown soooooooo large, and now there are so many KA-held OP's that it doesn't leave a lot of OP's "open" to battle over....unless, like I said, a KA guild wants to risk a *real* attack on another KA guild's OP. Again, on the surface there is nothing really WRONG with this...but at the same time for those that WANT to have some good ole "bloody" (as in bloodshed) fun, it doesn't leave a lot of options open.

There are a good number of Homins that just wanna have some good OP battles....it has nothing to do with "power" or "crystals", or "mats" or even race/color/creed...they just wanna see OP's fought for and fought to keep. And you are right, Sprite....it has come right down to "KA doesn't want to attack KA"..."Fyros doesn't want to attack Fyros"...."Kami doesn't want to attack Kami" and [insert any race/faction/alliance here]...because of that we have more "false declarations" and more "our guild is just gonna give this OP to your guild" than we have actual OP battles!

I do highly respect a *great deal* of those in the KA...I've come to know many of you as well as possible in an online game, and in many cases it goes beyond just "respect"...you are my friends. I know, and you know, there are a vocal *very few* that have that "we wanna own it all" mentality, but in all respect to the KA - that hasn't happened and I doubt it will. First of all, there are many of you that see the "problems" with that, and secondly the KA *would* have one heck of a battle if they tried, lol.


For whoever brought it up here, yes I have been watching the "Nexus vs. OV" thread. As both a Tryker and a once-member of OmegaV I will make no comment on what is happening there. All I can say from my neutral stance in this particular "issue" is that people should be able to RP in anyway they want to...without being told their RP is "stupid". 'Tis true, some RP better than others, but hey we aren't all RP geniuses. What is all boils down to is simply: Nexus declared war on OmegaV. To me, their reasons are only slightly important. As you said, "all actions have consequences"....Nexus declaring is a consequence for someone's action on them (or on Trykers, not really sure which)...just as they will have consequences for declaring on OV. Why do 'we' have to call them stupid or pick apart their reason for doing it? They could have just as easily said "hey we're declaring on OV. Why? Cuz we want to". Why does there HAVE to be any RP reason at all, much less what someone else deems a "good" one?

Blah! Sorry for the long post - I need to shut up and get in-game! hehehe

[vguerin]

Obviously though, if "arrangements" were made for a friendly GvG battle...I mean a *real* battle (not just the usual "hey, we're giving this OP over to so-and-so guild) then there wouldn't be any reason for KA to react in any way other than let it happen. To my knowledge this has never been done, and actually (as I've said elsewhere) I think it would be fun if this were done more.

[OOC] Maybe it should be noted that Melinoes attack on TW a few days ago was not an alliance thing. When we (Melinoe ONLY) showed up after the defenses we were at were decided, we were met by many members of several Kamist guilds at TW's OP...

It's not easy to try and do anything alone, but some of our guildies wanted to fight with an enemy they respected enough not to announce/request help. It sucked that others decided to show up, but we managed to have a little fun for our group of 7.

Non-alliance things happen... but you cannot make the other side hold the same standard so it's always going to be a crapshoot. We are kind of stuck asking for allies to show up, in case the other sides allies show up... next thing you know it's not GvG anymore. [/OOC]

[sprite]

They could have just as easily said "hey we're declaring on OV. Why? Cuz we want to".

Exactly ! And if they had, we wouldn't be having that conversation in that thread Its because they made comments that were self-evidently exaggerated or untrue that is the problem and I personally cannot stand by and watch my friends or allies be slandered (heck I've even defended my "enemies" on the forums )

[moyaku]

Hi all,

Since this thread was first meant to express thoughts about the KA, I ll give mine !
I do not agree with the KA's position (guess everyone knowing me knows that already ), but still, I gotta admit that a few days before KA started their *conquest politic* I was rather looking for more MULTIPLAYER events of long last and they gave it to me and few friends .

So even if you guys think in a different way I wanted to say thanks for getting people together ! I owe you some good fun !

May the righteous side convince the other...

[jawa00]

And on a related note- if it was actually KA vs everyone else, there would be no complaints of our power because we'd always be losing. The KA is far from the majority of the server.

if i look at Riveit's list then at this time the KA were holding 46% of all outposts

[marct]

Hi all,

Since this thread was first meant to express thoughts about the KA, I ll give mine !
I do not agree with the KA's position (guess everyone knowing me knows that already )

So, Since everyone else seems to know, Would someone care to enlighten me as to the KA's position. Because I actually didn't know we had one.

[andypur1]

[OOC] Maybe it should be noted that Melinoes attack on TW a few days ago was not an alliance thing. When we (Melinoe ONLY) showed up after the defenses we were at were decided, we were met by many members of several Kamist guilds at TW's OP...

It's not easy to try and do anything alone, but some of our guildies wanted to fight with an enemy they respected enough not to announce/request help. It sucked that others decided to show up, but we managed to have a little fun for our group of 7.

Non-alliance things happen... but you cannot make the other side hold the same standard so it's always going to be a crapshoot. We are kind of stuck asking for allies to show up, in case the other sides allies show up... next thing you know it's not GvG anymore. [/OOC]

[OOC]
The only trouble with the GvG approach is finding a time when both sides can turn up. An attack at 1am - 3am BST on a work morning means that our poor, mainly european, guild maybe needed some backup. I don't know if the presence of other homins was requested by our leaders, but only three or four of the guild could make it at that time and I had the day off!!
[/OOC]

Still, we had some fun waiting, killed a few gingos and much more importantly than Karavan homins, we also slayed the evil Kitin Pankom. Zok also thinks that we gave Lwiz a good send off.

Hope that the Najabs didn't bite you too hard

Maybe if guilds want GvG action, they have to announce the attack in public and ask for neither side to get backup. As far as Zok knew, this attack was made by a guild in the KA and therefore he asked for backup once Melinoe started to appear in the region. How was Zok supposed to know that you wanted GvG action? The kamist in the jungle doesn't know if an attack is purely by a guild, or by the whole alliance, especially given some of the announcements made concerning attacks on KA OPs.