A 2nd letter to FairHaven from AA

[akm72]

Jena allows all who chose her way the freedom to determine their own path be it rogue or saint.

That's really nice of her.

All are equal unless they anger her.

So... we're free unless we annoy her? Doesn't sound like much of a freedom to me, if we have to tiptoe around the whole time, hoping she's not in a mood.

Jena does not wish slavery as the Kami claim, For she rescued Homin from the dragon's slavery...

Well, that could just be because she wanted us to worship her, rather than because of anything against slavery as such. But I havnt heard the Kami say anything against slavery before now, it's mainly us Trykers who get hot under the collar about it.

...and in more recent history persuaded the matis to stop the tryker slavery.

Really, where does it say that in the history books? Because I can't find any mention of it. All I see is that it was fighting by Loria's company and the Fyros army that freed my ancestors.

...her hand does not move for matters homins can deal with, yet in the face of the Great swarm it moved, and now against the the tyranny of the Kami it moves once more.

So she's willing to kill a load of Kami, and any homins who follow them, but she's not going to lift a finger if the Matis try to enslave us? Is that right?

The same benign that saved hominkind from slaughter by kitin,...

Except she didn't. Both Kami and Karavan proved pretty useless against the Kitin, and most homins WERE slaughtered. Only a few made it to the prime roots sanctuary, and a few more scattered tribes scraped a living for years until they made it to the new lands as refugees years later. It took two years before the Kami and Karavan managed to drive the Kitin back underground, allowing homins back to the surface.

But an alliance with Fyros or Zorai would ultmatly be fighting for the denial of Tryker freedom as they both support Kami to whom Tryker freedoms are not condusive to the Kami balance.

Trykers are best served by the current balance of power. Matis can't attack us, as a Fyros/Tryker alliance has proven to be too strong in the past. The Kami are no threat to us, with the balance of power between the Kami and Karavan being maintained. And maintaining the strength of all our civilisations is vital against the Kitin menace. This is why I advocate Tryker defensive alliances with both Fyros and Matis guilds, hell Zorai too if they're interested.

The Matis learnt from their past errors that the Tryker spirit cannot be tamed, nor condecended to, that the tryker when united are as strong as any nation, thus from begrudging respect of the matis' own lack of forethought, they sought common interest and mutaul friendship, as matis and tryker fundamental beleifs are in essense the same, the freedom to achieve ones goal whether exploration and lifes experiences or the pursuit of perfection, the two race became close and natural allies, there diverse views allowing a genesis of creativity and union.

Sounds great! Only spoiled by the friendship of the Matis with the Bounty Beach slavers, and by the original version of Yrkanis's speech (before he realised that it wouldn't go down too well with his allies and had the offending lines removed ).

"...For too long a time we have abandoned the future which is ours by right. To conquer the common races and to reign over this world.

The hour has come for Matis to awaken and to show the world the true measure of our strength and the value of the noble blood which flows in our veins. The enemy cannot ignore us, for each of us will have his part to play in the coming battle with the weapons to which he is best suited. Many homin will align themselves to the enemy banner of Ma-Duk and others could well join with the enigmatic Tryton who may so foolishly oppose our will."

[sprite]

Sounds great! Only spoiled by the friendship of the Matis with the Bounty Beach slavers, and by the original version of Yrkanis's speech (before he realised that it wouldn't go down too well with his allies and had the offending lines removed ).

*repeats himself* except that I know you were there Mio

[vguerin]

So... we're free unless we annoy her? Doesn't sound like much of a freedom to me, if we have to tiptoe around the whole time, hoping she's not in a mood.

I have tried to stay out of this thread... but I so tire of ANYONE from Samsara representing themselves or their guild as anything but a psuedo-Kami while nitpicking out of context Lore statements misrepresenting things.

Mioette, when you are not a Kami flunky in Samsara and the guild you're in represents anyone other than their own selfish needs, revisit this thread. The Trykers may not all agree, I give them that being a proud servant of Jena. But your RP does not fit into a Tryker mold and YOU do not speak for your race. Your Governor has spoken well of the Karavan and your converts will only be others with non-Tryker interests at heart.

I serve side by side with Trykers that represent their race and Governor... I have no time for Kami Lovers trying to sour the milk.

[katriell]

But your RP does not fit into a Tryker mold

(OOC: GO HER! As for you commenting on RP, sorry, but isn't this an IC thread? If so, your injecting an OOC comment in the middle of your otherwise seemingly IC arguement kind of invalidates any criticism coming from you with regard to the RP stance of someone who was IC throughout their post... If not, just tell me to shut up. )

[akm72]

Perhaps you were not present at the time, but it was explained to us that one of the heralds of the King inserted this line into one of the speeches without the knowledge of King Yrkanis. Having suitably punished the herald, Yrkanis and Gov. Wiler now stand side by side.

I know, but I'm kind of offended that you expect us to actually believe that

but isn't this an IC thread?

Partially, I'm not trying to talk "in character" tbh, but I am trying to present my characters point of view and to back it up using the lore.

...I so tire of ANYONE from Samsara representing themselves or their guild as anything but a psuedo-Kami while nitpicking out of context Lore statements misrepresenting things.

Except I would happily defend any Karavan guild that deserved it; being neutral, I dont make distinctions on that basis. The only reason you havnt seen me on your side is that it's been almost entirely Karavan guilds that have been doing the attacking up to now.

...your RP does not fit into a Tryker mold and YOU do not speak for your race. Your Governor has spoken well of the Karavan and your converts will only be others with non-Tryker interests at heart...

"Does not fit into the Tryker mold"! Even after I put all that effort in showing how the lore supports my position? And I never did claim to speak for them - I'm trying to speak to them, and show how the behaviour of some of them is against Tryker long term interests. But remember that the original point of this thread was a call for Tryker unity - I'm just trying to help achieve that, but using a neutral position instead of a Jena worshipping one.

[mtsmith]

I am a Tryker who left his homeland in search of a cause worthy of our people. In my journeys, I explored all of the land and spent time with each of the four races of Atys. Today, I will divulge my findings, spoken prior to this point to none but Jena in my nightly prayers.

The Fyros were somewhat friendly and always up for a hunt, a beer, or a good fight, all traits I admire and respect, but they never treated me as a brother and often times used me as the butt of their jokes. Proud warriors and tradesmen all, I still sensed a sort of resentment that I never truly understood.

The Zorai, the high and mighty, the talk down to Tryker as if it were nothing sort of folks who think they are too good to spend any time with a young homin trying to make his way were pretty horrible to me. Though I did my best to gain their trust and learn more about their enigmatic race, all I ever heard was that I should join their guilds, give up my Tryker ties, and worship a demon. You talk of enslavement? Spend a few days with the good folks of Infinity and you'll learn a thing or two about manipulation, greed, and selfish pride. That was an indentured servitude that I do not care to repeat in this lifetime or any other.

Last and hardly least come my second family the Matis. Originally a member of Veni Vidi Vici, I was introduced to these kind people early on. Yes, at times they can seem aloof and somewhat overly driven, but I have yet to find a more friendly, generous group of people aside from my Tryker brothers and sisters. I was sad to leave Veni Vidi Vici, but soon found a glorious home with OmegaV. I was treated as a welcome brother from the first day. These folks embraced my warrior spirit and showed me just how wrong some of the things I had heard of the Matis could be. They also helped me to remember my Tryker origins and guided me toward the light of Jena. Finally, they empowered me to make a difference by entrusting me with a position as a High Officer, thus allowing me more influence with allied guilds.

Here we speak of Karavan and Kami, but in the end it all seems to come down to a matter of misplaced stubborn will. Jena has pronounced her love for all homins and yet many of you who were brought into the world knowing her good will have turned against her and thrown yourselves into the arms of a beast. Jena's Karavan supporters are and always will be somewhat fanatical, and I am no exception. This is always the case when a group believes fervently in a riteous cause. However, this does not take away from the fact that each of us fights to remove the taint of evil from the land. From birth, every Tryker is taught to love Jena as our creator, our mother, our savior, and yet many of you choose to walk a darker path or even worse, completely deny the existence or greatness of her will.

I have traveled the world and I found something worth fighting for. I do not ask my fellow Trykers to completely understand when they have rarely left the Lakelands. I do not ask you to follow blindly into the unknown. I will not presume to tell you to have faith in a cause in which you do not believe. All I ask is that you take the time to remember our lore, travel the world, and get a good sense of what it is you truly believe. Teach yourselves to think freely and realize that the world is not just black and white, but rather shades of grey. I fight the Kami forces in the heartfelt hope that a sharp rap on the head will free them from the grip of the dark father. This in no way lessens my love for my fellow Homin, our individual homelands, or our unique ways of life.

In all my years as a soldier and a staunch supporter of Jena and her Karavan forces, I have never once slain a fellow homin. In the end, the most I have done was to dent some armor and smudge a little pride. I keep this in mind during every fight, remembering that honing my skills will keep them sharp when Kitin attack or the dragon awakes. You should never harm the innocent, but know your enemies as you know yourself. Homins should see two collective enemies; the Kitin seem to be the real threat, but who is pulling the strings? The dark lord Ma-Duk would not be upset in the slightest if the Kitin erased Hominity from the land. That would be part of the natural order of things, right?

These are amazing times we are living in and it would be a true shame to miss out on the comraderie, adventure, and glory of a mighty alliance of light. Carry yourself with the highest esteem, knowing that you have lived up to the expectations of your elders. Protect your children from all threats, Kitin and demon alike. And most importantly, make future generations proud by saving the lakelands from the tyrany of the Kami and the treachery of the deceiver, fire delver, father of lies, Ma-Duk.

[mtsmith]

Except I would happily defend any Karavan guild that deserved it; being neutral, I dont make distinctions on that basis. The only reason you havnt seen me on your side is that it's been almost entirely Karavan guilds that have been doing the attacking up to now.

You (Samsara) fought on the side of Ma-Duk when directed to build temples after months of proclaiming that homin versus homin activites were condemning and barbaric (something to this effect proclaimed at the Hominist convention by Jyudas, that I attended).

You (Samsara) fought against us at Whirling Stronghold where we (Karavan) attacked a proclaimed Kami worshipping lot of turncoat Tryker (Band of Hawks) who (Kenshiro) lied their way into a battle that we originally had no intent to pursue.

1 + 1 = 2

Prove things otherwise and I might believe you. Show me that the Samsara honestly wish for peace. We all see plenty of talk followed quickly by contradictory events. Actions speak much louder than words, desert dweller. You are no Tryker.

[akm72]

You (Samsara) fought on the side of Ma-Duk when directed to build temples after months of proclaiming that homin versus homin activites were condemning and barbaric....

At the outset of the temple building the Karavan invited Trykers to the building site for the first time; Where they instantly slew all those in the crowd that had more Kami fame than Karavan fame (which included me). They gave no warning, despite the previous Tryker vote for toleration. Despite that violent provocation, I did not atempt to drive those who dug for the Karavan temple from the old lands. Instead I tried to protect those who dug for the Kami temples, in the forlorn hope that the Tryker vote would be forfilled and the lakelands would eventually receive both temples.

You (Samsara) fought against us at Whirling Stronghold where we (Karavan) attacked a proclaimed Kami worshipping lot of turncoat Tryker (Band of Hawks) who (Kenshiro) lied their way into a battle that we originally had no intent to pursue.

I fought to defend a Tryker guild from an aggressive and unprovocated attack.
Do you claim also that the "loyal" Corsairs are "turncoats", and that Still Wyler was a traitor when he led them? If so you must also claim that the "many" Trykers who join their ranks are also turncoats. Just how many Trykers are you willing to butcher in the name of Jena?

Prove things otherwise and I might believe you. Show me that the Samsara honestly wish for peace. We all see plenty of talk followed quickly by contradictory events. Actions speak much louder than words, desert dweller.

I am no pacifist. I know perfectly well that peace comes about through using violence or the threat of violence to quell the aggressors. When I see the Karavan Alliance attacking other guilds without provocation or cause, it isn't difficult to determine who the aggressors are. Are you truely serving Jena by attacking your fellow homins? Are you even sure she's going to thank you for driving moderates away?

You are no Tryker.

Speaks a forest dweller who puts his loyalty to Jena above his loyalty to his fellow Trykers...

[riveit]

Really, where does it say that in the history books? Because I can't find any mention of it. All I see is that it was fighting by Loria's company and the Fyros army that freed my ancestors.

http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.p ... ge=3&pp=10

Why is this tribe protected by the Karavan? Does the Karavan allow the slavery?

The Karavan does not advocate slavery, on the contrary. Let us remember that it is the goddess Jena who in ancient times ordered the Matis to release Trykers from their subjection.
Nevertheless, the Karavan leaves free will to all Homins, in particular when not concerning religion. The Karavan is not responsible for decisions of the Homin governments or for the behavior of any tribes.

The Karavan condemns the traffic in which the Slavers are engaged, but cannot allow the members of this tribe turning to the Kamis. In spite of the crimes of which he may be guilty, no Homin must be abandoned to these devils. So the Karavan tolerates the obnoxious business of Slavers, although they would infinitely prefer that the tribe turns its mind to another business.

[vguerin]

(OOC: GO HER! As for you commenting on RP, sorry, but isn't this an IC thread? If so, your injecting an OOC comment in the middle of your otherwise seemingly IC arguement kind of invalidates any criticism coming from you with regard to the RP stance of someone who was IC throughout their post... If not, just tell me to shut up. )

It was 1 AM on a Saturday... If I spelled half the words right I get bonus points