Tribal Fame Bug

[vguerin]

Sounds good but it doesnt work like that , Tribes you had personal with before the Patch "ignore your birth" (dont include Civ Fame) but Tribes you activate post Patch all start at your Civ Fame lvl , works the same for Neutral or Civ aligned

Thats not what I showed in the above screenshots, they never ignored your birth. You started with them all based on your race's particular fame. If you worked your personal fame with them it changed, guild fame (or global) has/had no bearing on your personal association with a tribe. If my personal fame with a tribe -66, and others in the guild (who may or may not be Matis) worked the same tribe fame up to Matis global of -25... my global (and the guilds) fame with this tribe would improve. My personal fame would not move and I would be KoS with this tribe anyways.

This was designed (and apparently changed) because the early incarnation of Outposts was based on the tribes. This way a guild could gain enough fame for the GL to accept missions to get an Outpost based on the guilds achievements with a particular tribe. As this is no longer the way things work it has been repackaged (since I established personal contact with every tribe for this purpose, I was a tad disappointed) and your personal fame has become the dominant benchmark with tribes.

"IF" you choose to align with a race other than your birth race, YMMV... I can check with Ambika on that one. We have and will always work strictly Kara aligned tribes and select strategically located tribes in case it ever matters down the road... At this time tho, tribes are merely something to move around or dive into based on your fame and whether your in hot pursuit/being chased.

[blaah]

pretty much like that, you old personal and only that was transferred to the new system, and lowered if need be by changes to the caps made from affiliation choices, if you had no personal then you lost the entry but you have a fame cap with the tribes still based on current affiliations.

simple question
2 chars, one tribe, old civ fame -66
one char had personal fame with tribe at -1
second char didnt have any contact with that tribe.
assuming new fame cap is +50

Q: what is new fame values with that tribe in new fame system ?

i'd say -1 for char 1 and -66 for char 2.
fair ? char 2 is KoS, char 1 is not.

[petej]

Thats not what I showed in the above screenshots, they never ignored your birth. You started with them all based on your race's particular fame. If you worked your personal fame with them it changed, guild fame (or global) has/had no bearing on your personal association with a tribe. If my personal fame with a tribe -66, and others in the guild (who may or may not be Matis) worked the same tribe fame up to Matis global of -25... my global (and the guilds) fame with this tribe would improve. My personal fame would not move and I would be KoS with this tribe anyways.

This was designed (and apparently changed) because the early incarnation of Outposts was based on the tribes. This way a guild could gain enough fame for the GL to accept missions to get an Outpost based on the guilds achievements with a particular tribe. As this is no longer the way things work it has been repackaged (since I established personal contact with every tribe for this purpose, I was a tad disappointed) and your personal fame has become the dominant benchmark with tribes.

"IF" you choose to align with a race other than your birth race, YMMV... I can check with Ambika on that one. We have and will always work strictly Kara aligned tribes and select strategically located tribes in case it ever matters down the road... At this time tho, tribes are merely something to move around or dive into based on your fame and whether your in hot pursuit/being chased.

Well all I can say to that then is it doesnt work the same for everybody then -which is even more reason it needs fixing

Edit -Actualy look at the Fraiders/Frahar entries in these two
http://www.4eyedfistfight.com/ryzom...DoubleTap-2.jpg - http://ryzom.twazz.net/misc/tribe-fame2.jpg

The Frahar (new/bugged name for Fraiders) are ignoring your birth (dont include Civ Fame) in your post patch Fame table , if you hadnt got those pre-patch and activated them now youd start off at -33 (the Civ Fame lvl for an Evil Matis)

[phradok]

simple question
2 chars, one tribe, old civ fame -66
one char had personal fame with tribe at -1
second char didnt have any contact with that tribe.
assuming new fame cap is +50

Q: what is new fame values with that tribe in new fame system ?

i'd say -1 for char 1 and -66 for char 2.
fair ? char 2 is KoS, char 1 is not.

That is exactly the way it has worked for me and I am neutral/neutral. It might be possibly different for other alignments.

[phradok]

Just to show that your fame didn't change unless you had no fame... comparisons between my fame with tribes in Oct and now:

Ok I had a careful look at your fame differences. Just to define some terms, the old fame ratings, in column order, are Overall, Personal, Guild, and Civilization. The new fame ratings I will just call "New Fame". In all but 4 cases, your new fame ratings are exactly the same as your old Personal fame ratings (not Overall). The exceptions are the New Fame ratings that we cannot see (Goo Heads and Masters of the Goo), which I would predict will be 16 (old Civilization fame) and 0 (old Civilization fame) respectively. You could test this for yourself by doing one mission for each of them.

The two other cases are Company of the Eternal Tree (old Personal -23 New Fame -50) and Recoverers (old Personal -12 New Fame -50). It is hard to see where these New Fame ratings came from, but did you take the New Fame screenshots after you took the Karavan Rite? If so, I expect this rite altered these fame ratings (just as some other rites can greatly increase a civilization fame).

You obviously had a lot of personal interaction with most of the tribes, so you are not much affected by this bug. However, most people probably did not. And now their New Fame ratings are automatically set to the Old Civilization rating if they had no interaction with that tribe, in many cases giving them a much lower fame rating than even those people, like yourself, who had negative interactions with those tribes. This does not seem like a fair way to derive New Fame ratings. Those with no interactions should be given a New Fame of 0, while those with interactions should use Old Personal fame, as it is now.

[vguerin]

The two other cases are Company of the Eternal Tree (old Personal -23 New Fame -50) and Recoverers (old Personal -12 New Fame -50). It is hard to see where these New Fame ratings came from, but did you take the New Fame screenshots after you took the Karavan Rite? If so, I expect this rite altered these fame ratings (just as some other rites can greatly increase a civilization fame).

I am glad to se you actually looked at them... and sadly my comp died about October and I been using wife comp until recently and lost alot of my goodies.

The only thing I can think that differentiates those particular tribes is the Nexus. Only speculation of course... but I think the Nexus is still some sort of key area and maybe got additional bumps by selecting Karavan. It's not consistant with the rest so I am not sure. I doesn't follow the general rule you see for the 50+ others... It's hard to tell if the values changed based on race or faction devotion. The only thing in common between them is the Nexus and even there I got no change in "The Kuild" because I had interaction with them. I did not work fame for the other two tribes as it lowered my Kuild fame.