Lousy community

[totnkopf]

hmmm mabey he cought him at a bad time but a freind of mine was quoted a price by rashan at 1 q250 mat per 1 250 xp crystal...hardly worth it and far from reasonable

Send me a tell in game if you're still looking for them. I am looking for q250 mats, but not at such a high ratio as that.

[zippo123]

I'm not really sure what you're asking for. Outposts can and have been attacked. Their purpose is to provide a mini-PvP environment within a somewhat structured environment. If you can't stand any kind of PvP, then outposts aren't for you. It's not the community's fault; that's what they are designed for.

Personally I don't like PvP either, but to me, the bad PvP is the open, unstructured kind. It encourages too many bad behaviours (I know there's some of you that don't mind being ganked while afk, but to me it's really lame behaviour). Some people like it; I don't. But this structured type of PvP (fight for a specific thing, in a specific time frame, with specific rules) seems OK to me. In fact, it's been fun, really.

I agree the false declarations should stop and Nevrax has already announced changes to help prevent them (no more ending the declaration and increasing the costs). At some point, the false declarations will either bankrupt the guilds or stop.

If someone complains when you attack them, just ignore it and go foward with your attack. Look, they published the rules of the game and attacking an outpost held by a guild is well within the rules (both letter and spirit).

Even from a story perspective: we are securing military bases. Rotating ownership without battle defeats the purpose. We hold them because we are able to hold them and we know we are able because we've proven it in battle.


Want some crystals, but don't want to engage in PvP? Trade for them. If you're that much of a carebear, you must have something you do that would be useful to a guild that owns an outpost. Make a deal.


Want one of your own but not strong enough by yourself? Easy-peasy:

1. pick a side (kami or karavan); sorry, Neutral got neutered. Not my fault; just is the way it is.
2. make friends with your side; defend them actively when they are attacked; support them when they attack.
3. now that you're well known, call upon them to aid you in attacking an OP.


Don't like the fact that 2 Kami guilds are each holding 2 of the higher level OP's? Convince enough other guilds that they are being selfish and plan an attack. Heck, promise to share some of the output with some neutral guilds and maybe they'll help you, too. Maybe some Karavaneers will help you just for the fun of it.


I'm sorry if I'm ranting, but you've got a poll that doesn't make sense to me:

We "allow" OP attacks and let it be part of the game - it already is part of the game. The only thing actually stopping it are false declarations and that's gonna be patched soon. The only other thing that a guild can do to stop an attack is complain and that only works if you let it.

We should make some kind of schedule for OP ownership and rotate them among guilds - this runs completely counter to the intent of the outposts. Do this and you destroy them for all intents and purposes.

Do nothing and Supernovae leaves the game. - And the attitude in this choice is why I'm ranting a bit.

i am just trying to start a discussion here
I completely aggree with you

I am not sure how its like in your lands but I just dont think its fair that attacking an OP in fyros is "not done" and politically incorrect even if one doesnt like pvp. Stakes are too high. Then again.. I personally would make a rotation schedule but I hear a perfect world doesnt exist.

[boinged]

HA..ya try locating any 250 crystals in kami lands for a reasonable price.
I hear the kara share and trade freely however.
Mighty nice of them i suppose..no wonder they stick together and are so powerful in an OP battle
I fear the day that the protection exploit is removed from the posts and they decide to over power the kami guilds who are lagging behind

Well what's a reasonable price and what price do the Karavan sell them for?

An outpost makes about 14 stacks per day (one stack = 999 crystals). Most people are going to use more than one stack per day easily, and most guilds with outposts have more than 14 members. So you can see there's a bit of a problem

We trade crafting and consumable mats with a few other outpost owners which is why you might see us helping them in their battles. We are also open to the idea of trading regular mats for crystals but the rates have to be high enough that we still have enough for OP trades and our members.

For a non-OP owner, they either need to acquire high level mats (which will need more trade if you can only get low level ones) or lower level crystals (again requiring trade), that they can then swap for high level crystals. So outposts are actually stimulating trade, that is, until the primitives/zealots that don't understand negotiation beat their amps against their chests...

[boinged]

hmmm mabey he cought him at a bad time but a freind of mine was quoted a price by rashan at 1 q250 mat per 1 250 xp crystal...hardly worth it and far from reasonable

See my other post first, then do the maths:

There was a bit of haggling after that, I think the buyer wanted 5:1 in the end. So less than half an hours (solo) digging for a stack that we produce only every 2 hours? Can you see what would happen if we did that deal? Hell I'd dig 4 hours per day and donate them to the guild for it's entire output of crystals

And we still did a deal with him (Brock) for some low level crystals AFAIK.

Also I use the possibly bewildering concept of haggling. Anyone who takes my first offer seriously deserves to pay it

[sprite]

what price do the Karavan sell them for?

So far, free. The way its I understand it atm is (forgive me if I'm wrong), if you have an OP then its a 1:1 trade between crystals (any Q) or OP mats; if you don't have an OP then you get some free as long as you're not just "flying the flag" without doing anything... you help them out, they help you out.

As for attacking OPs "not being done" ingame, I personally think its a great shame that certain guilds (and I'm sorry to say it SN, but your allies mainly) are using an exploit to stop their OPs being attacked. And before anyone says its a "tactic", its being fixed so in my mind its an exploit, no two ways about it

[1brock]

See my other post first, then do the maths:

There was a bit of haggling after that, I think the buyer wanted 5:1 in the end. So less than half an hours (solo) digging for a stack that we produce only every 2 hours? Can you see what would happen if we did that deal? Hell I'd dig 4 hours per day and donate them to the guild for it's entire output of crystals

And we still did a deal with him (Brock) for some low level crystals AFAIK.

Also I use the possibly bewildering concept of haggling. Anyone who takes my first offer seriously deserves to pay it

I've never made a post here but since i see my name and a topic i started IG......
when we discussed trading for lower q crystals you said you already had a supplier for q100..which is what we get at our OP at a rate that we can't hand em out fast enough

anyhow..forget i ever asked..without something as valuable as you already have there isn't much room for haggling on my end...

hmm i wonder how the karavan can afford to freely teade them amongst themselvs without running out ( not directed at you as you are nuetral )

[1brock]

Send me a tell in game if you're still looking for them. I am looking for q250 mats, but not at such a high ratio as that.

Hey Morg

already spoke with you IG..be happy to work with you...see ya on atys

[Lukati]

I don't get why a guild who's getting attacked can't raise hell amongst the rest of the server population when they're getting attacked in the first place.

Anyone has the right to attack, and anyone has the right to respond to that attack in any way they seem fit. It would then be up to the attacker to decide how to respond to that.

If anyone attacks an outpost, and then decides not to after seeing the consequences, they can more or less equate that with losing the OP battle. To believe there will be no political reprocussions from attacking an OP is foolish.

"Fix the declaration issue." is really the only choice that would make sense.

[hans1976]

What Lukati said.

[grendel1]

Mmm. The whole "rotating attack withdrawal" routine is utter crap, yes. Hope for the Kami's sake they're making some alliances, or there's going to be some activity across their OPs, assuming the fix works. I hope it does, as I really dislike exploiters, regardless of the game.

As for crystals? Well, my guild's tiny, and we don't own an OP. Oddly enough, I've burned through 5 stacks of 200 crystals, and I'm sitting on 3.5 stacks of 250s. Plus a couple stacks of 250s out of the 3k I got tonight that went to guildies. Cost me nary a mat, either. Funny, there's a couple of guilds can count on me being there for OP defense, as I've done for 'em in the past. My guildies will be there too. Best part is, I NEVER ASKED.

I'm thinking that the guilds that hold their OPs won't do it from size, they'll do it from diplomacy and outright payment. The smart ones will keep a "war chest" of crystals, as well as trading/allying with other guilds. Yep, the stuff OPs make is valuable. You're looking at the currency of power, and the ones that use it best will hold the most power. Once the "OMG we r so l33t" guilds get knocked back (and they will, on both sides) the politicking should get right interesting.