Why do the Zorai have a neg faction with the Trykers?

[raynes]

This was answered already, I guess you missed it. I'll reiterate.

The Fyros and Trykers are natural allies. Always have been. The Fyros needed water, the Trykers had water.

The Matis and Trykers are natural enemies. The Matis believe that all races have a place, and that the Tryker race should be the "grunt".

The Zorai and Trykers, in my opinion, also are done properly. The Trykers are somewhat not trusting the Karavan.. but here's the real kicker. We originally were in the favor of the Kami, and the Kami left for the Zorai! Don't you think that would make you a little mad?

What I don't get, is why is it do the Trykers have +fame with the Karavan, when they've oft shrugged off Jena's teachers or the Karavan guidance? Especially since the Matis were completely with Jena/Karavan when the Trykers were enslaved.

Maybe this is an awesome new RP opportunity. Think of it like this. Say we go to war with N.Korea and we get our sorry booties kicked. Say they take lots of ""slaves". Well, in the end we are free again, but some of us have come away with the N.Korea culture nonetheless... so now while we WERE a race of freedoms and democracy, now some of us want communism... ^_~

Back to the Zorai thing. If you really want to forgive the Zorai for taking our beloved Kami, go ahead. I am personally favoring this idea, as I want to get closer to the Kami myself. The Fyros never did protect us very well.

- N

The Zorai didn't take anything. It is said they grew close to use through the need of calm and healing.

[jdiegel]

"Why do the Zorai have a neg faction with the Trykers?"

It might have something to do with me having a Tryker baby for breakfast everyday. They're good fried.

[svayvti]

Read the background story more closely and you'll understand the Zorai and the Matis. BTW +8 faction isn't all that impressive.

The Zorai and Matis had similar goals. Both more isolationist, both wanted to work together for trade and to destroy the Kitins. The Matis were even tolerant of the Kami preachers in their area, so things looked good between the two.

Then the Matis king was assassinated by his brother. His brother is the one who recently slaughtered all Kami followers. Meanwhile the Zorai have allowed the exiled prince to live with them in Zorai lands. So the Zorai should have close ties to the original Matis royalty.. they're allowing prince Yrkanis to live with them. I doubt he lost all his supporters when his uncle murdered his way to the throne. So between the people relations are probably decent, between governments... well my guild is looking to help an insurgency place the rightful heir on the throne at the first available moment.

[raynes]

Read the background story more closely and you'll understand the Zorai and the Matis. BTW +8 faction isn't all that impressive.

The Zorai and Matis had similar goals. Both more isolationist, both wanted to work together for trade and to destroy the Kitins. The Matis were even tolerant of the Kami preachers in their area, so things looked good between the two.

Then the Matis king was assassinated by his brother. His brother is the one who recently slaughtered all Kami followers. Meanwhile the Zorai have allowed the exiled prince to live with them in Zorai lands. So the Zorai should have close ties to the original Matis royalty.. they're allowing prince Yrkanis to live with them. I doubt he lost all his supporters when his uncle murdered his way to the throne. So between the people relations are probably decent, between governments... well my guild is looking to help an insurgency place the rightful heir on the throne at the first available moment.

I went back and read the story and I am more confused than ever. Especially when thinking about the in game faction settings. This is the Faction set up for the Zorai:

Zorai have +8 Mantis, -8 Tryker and -16 Fyros

According to the story we (Zorai) should be enemies with the Mantis because of the whole deal you listed above. It would also appear that we would not be on their friendly side because of thier dedication to the Karavan.

It would appear that we would mixed feelings for the Trykers. On the one hand they helped the Mantis prince live in exile. They also signed a trade agreement preventing the Mantis from getting water supplies. Something else we would favor. On the flip side they do follow the Karavan and the Kami came to us from them. As we reguard the Kami as almost God's, those who side with their enemies or who were not choosen by them would seem to be on our bad side. So for the Trykers they it seems we should feel pretty neutral.

As for the Fryos, it would seem that we would be friends with them. They were rescued by the Kamis from the Karavan just like us. We have never really been at war with them. From the history there is no real reason why we should have the worst faction with them.

What is the deal here?

[tickany]

Am I the only one who feels that genetically manipulating nature = rapeing nature? The Matis aren't nature loveing people in my eyes. How would people feel if a race of superior beings did to them what the Matis do to nature? For this, and their relations with the Karavan I feel, being a Zorai, they are my enemys not my friends. Thats how I plan to play anyway Like I read above, +8 really isnt that big of a deal.

[shrike]

That's a subjective thing. In the end is genetic manipulation -IMO - only a faster way of breeding. Humankind has "developed" new animals through breeding for milennias, there is nothing new about this. Choosing which genes to take instead which animals to mate is only one step forwards.

And, yes, +/- 8 is only very little fame. Max fame is 100, remember this. Some people really waste themselves about minor details...

[raynes]

Am I the only one who feels that genetically manipulating nature = rapeing nature? The Matis aren't nature loveing people in my eyes. How would people feel if a race of superior beings did to them what the Matis do to nature? For this, and their relations with the Karavan I feel, being a Zorai, they are my enemys not my friends. Thats how I plan to play anyway Like I read above, +8 really isnt that big of a deal.

It's not the number that's the issue here. It's the fact that the starting numbers for the Zoraii just don't make sense. It's probably very true that +8 isn't much. But it still shows we are on the good side of things. When the background story tells something quite different. Same thing for the -16. Sure it's probably not that much. But we should be on the + side for the Fryos, not the negative.

And as for it being a minor detail. Why should that make a difference, it's either wrong or not clear when it should be. Lets say that I want to roleplay as a Zorai. Tell me what should I go by. Should I go by the website and background story? Ok, then how do you explain it in game when groups that should be friendly to me, aren't? Should I go by the faction system? If that's the case then what is our history?

[shrike]

Not really. The Zorai retreated during the Kitin wars, leaving the other homins alone, becoming isolationistic. Now WHAT image would this have to a society with a strong honor system?

[pandorae]

Back to the Zorai thing. If you really want to forgive the Zorai for taking our beloved Kami, go ahead. I am personally favoring this idea, as I want to get closer to the Kami myself. The Fyros never did protect us very well.

- N

I have been sitting silently to see if anyone else made this point, or if everyone was so willing to have their future dictated by the storyline. I am glad to see that I am not alone on this point.

In this game, they have given us a framework for which to build our character's lives. This starting point need not dictate how we end up though. If the Tryker and Zorai reach the conclusion that we would like to put any ill will of the past behind us, we can! The free will to shap and change our gameplay is what makes a game like this so fun.

As far as future storyline additions and patches, I for one am not a fan of sitting in stasis out of fear rather than building the infrastructure and alliances that will be needed to survive. Many of us know by this point that mutuality will be critical to survival and advancement henceforth. I do not think that his teamwork should be limited by our past.

These negative faction ratings will dissapear with cooperation between the races, and be replaced with strength.

- Pandorae
- Commander, Comitatus Praetorian

[raynes]

Not really. The Zorai retreated during the Kitin wars, leaving the other homins alone, becoming isolationistic. Now WHAT image would this have to a society with a strong honor system?

Where did you read that?