Prime root foraging, Views, Rants and Poll

[helbreat]

hmm i dont think i can edit the options on the poll after i made it can i? this forum is so confusing sometimes lol

i should have put an option for them to make choice mats not run out ever as they can be used to lvl skill with and its not really something you cant get shed loads of in town

the main problem is that the mats stay there and dont give the depleted message if they did that you wouldnt find them when you deposit track which would help out 100%

[ilthor]

the main problem is that the mats stay there and dont give the depleted message if they did that you wouldnt find them when you deposit track which would help out 100%

The same thing happens in other regions... try and deplete a source and then prospect for the mat u depleted > it will point you to the depleted source too.

As for being hard to lvl pr forage, its the way its meant to be, or no end game in Ryzom is better? If it was easy to lvl Pr forage no one would do any of the mainlands > what for if you are limited to excellent and even then its rare as a alleycat in the Gobi desert...

One thing i disagree though is that the sources only come up after server reboot, which in the long run will provoque "gold fevers"... (besides being very unrealistic).

Bottom line, PR is the end game zone, its meant to be hard, and i wouldnt want it any other way.

~Sipos~

[usinuk]

As for being hard to lvl pr forage, its the way its meant to be

Actually, it's not, and that's the problem.

There was a very carefully thought out compromise between the role of PVP and PR supreme/excellent mat sources. Two regions - actually, only 1 as Nexus is just a forest zone and calling it part of the PR when you don't get PR experience for it isn't quite right - were to be prime PVP ground. Lots of resources, lots of trouble getting them. Everywhere else, just the standard, hazardous PR. This thoughtful measure was reached after a lot of us went on ATS and spent time testing PVP.

Instead, what we got was something entirely different.

Want supreme or excellent PR mats? Fine! Make sure your PR skill is over 90. Oh, you didn't PL it back in the days when PR access was easy and you could do 3K per mat pull?

Well, ok, not a problem. Just get PR forage up 40 levels.

Oh, yes, if you want to do that, you'll need to harvest only choice mats for a while. Of course, that relies on the weather being right, so hope you don't mind sitting around for an hour while it rains. Watch out for the varinx while you wait! Make sure that you get your season right too!

Oh, and then, if you want any more than a level or so per source, you'll need to strip mine someplace else since you're limited to about 200 mats per region, not just node. Wait for a server reset and everything will be all right!

Want to grind crafting using PR mats? Well, I'm sure you can get some of the items you need right after server reset! Guess you'll just have to wait until another one for the rest of it since someone 'stole' your choice mats. Or just strip mine someplace else for mats and hope you can trade!

Definitely worth killing each other over.

EDIT: Well, it now appears that choice mats are back in Abyss with the last patch at least and didn't exhaust themselves after 400 were pulled. Good start.

[dam23]

the materials should deplete and respawn exactly as town spawns imho since you have a level req of 90 to actually be able to use the stanza to dig supreme and the fact that there only available for 4 days each 2 weeks let alone the fact that the weather indicator isnt acurate

Actually, I tried to dig an excellent source w/ q120 and it told me my stanza was too low...

[dam23]

From what I saw from french forums, "empty content" as I call it is intended:
to have PR mats more rare and potentially have guild and ppl doing PvP for PR mats...
PvP....(anyway, back to PR prob...)

Hehe actually, if they want people to fight over mats in the PRs (which is a good thing imo), then they'd better *put* mats in there.
I cant imagine ppl fighting over empty spots :D

[wak313]

Hey all, on a quite Friday afternoon i am reading up on the latest in the forums (on Company time of course hehe) and no i havent been on since patch was deployed last night

Anyway... i am only a baby forager...at level 106 Desset Forage, and my only experience in PR was during the New Year "NO DP Killing Fest" (Lasted about 4 hours from memory) - after 101 failed attempts to travel accross PR to another RACE i started digging (didnt think it would work cause so many people say you need to be 150 - i see the PR extract and prospect stanzas at 150) - but it did!! well sorta... I got q17-23 and 1-2 items hahaha
hahaha and ALL my focus was used and did not replinished (i had wait)

I normaly pull 7+ q100 choice solo and 12+ q110 with a carer!!


Anyway, in here it was mentioned someone has lvl200+ PR and very low (51+) Race Forage.... does this mean that at some point PR was open to anyone who could stay alive in there and not this lvl 150+ and no more the 50 lvls below the PR source level?

One day i hope to experience the wonder PR, suprem mats (imagines high quality plan heavy armour of supreme mats...)

Sorry everyone is experiencing grief!!! i will sign any petition to make players happy and keep them playing!

[helbreat]

Anyway, in here it was mentioned someone has lvl200+ PR and very low (51+) Race Forage.... does this mean that at some point PR was open to anyone who could stay alive in there and not this lvl 150+ and no more the 50 lvls below the PR source level?

2-3 months ago when i walked in to pr the materials never ran out they were like town spawns supreme was available nearly all the time and since then its slowly gotten worse

first came patch 1 that increased the mobs dmg in pr by nearly double

then came the season/weather changes which made mats even harder to find

then came the empty sources which made it near impossible to lvl in pr untill just recently of course now that the empty spots have been around a while its all low lvl harvesters taking up the pr proffession as the other people have all given up, and are hoping for a fix to come

[lazarus]

Out of interest helbreat, have you had any empty sources since the patch?

I took a quick look last night and the Choice sources that were empty before were full which I assume was due to the reboot, but I never had time to try and deplete them, although I pulled a couple of stacks so it was looking good.

I've heard conflicting reports from people who either say their Choice sources didn't deplete or they ran out.

Be nice to fully understand what the situation is now...

[iphdrunk]

then came the empty sources which made it near impossible to lvl

Apparently, with latest 42-44 patches, sources don't deplete as fast. For some *choice* sources that I've been pulling, I have not been able to deplete them, after more than 600 mats pulled. Excellent and Supreme still do deplete.

I think PR foraging is converging towards a balanced situation. With choice mats more available (with the weather/aggro/access issue, but balanced by the all race crafting) and "rare" excellent and supreme (balanced by the uber stats) things are getting better, PR foragers can level at a slight lower pace than outside (I'm ok with having different branches level at a *slight* lower pace). Perfect? not sure. Main Problem? we've been playing with supreme gear and no one wants to give it back (myself included) but we all know supreme gear should be more scare although we don't like it now (something is open to debate when we're digging with supreme white light armor)

Regards,

Anissa

[Eshin]

Bottom line, PR is the end game zone, its meant to be hard, and i wouldnt want it any other way.

Yeah, exactly. That was what I signed for when I decided to stick with my pr foraging. It was way too easy from the start, but from that point it has evolved quite a bit, towards a lot harder place to harvest in. Throw them mobs at me, keep the patrols prowling - might as well increase their amounts -, keep the pesky weather conditions, I'm quite ok with the fact that harvesting there (apart from Umbra atm) is hard and I don't mind if it's gonna be even harder.. but do not take the material away as well. That doesn't make it "hard", just annoying and frustrating.

For your information, since you clearly have no idea about how hard it actually is, it is hard already (Umbra excluded, but the PvP is the tradeoff) and it has been getting harder and harder, but limiting every kind of material out there isn't the way to go. Limiting the GOOD material is the way to go, not every kind. There's really nothing special about prime root choice you know.

I see absolutely no reason why prime root foraging couldn't be your main skill, and I'm not being too biased about this. The tradeoff is that harvesting there is harder than on the surface (and be that end game zone, there's still only lvl 100-150 mobs at their appropriate areas out there, for example). Making the mats limited, even the choice which, I iterate, isn't anything special just doesn't do any good.

And excuse my perhaps unnecessary rant, since I haven't yet checked what, if any, changes have been made. But my point is valid regardless (or not, but one can always run to the hills).