Prime root foraging, Views, Rants and Poll

[helbreat]

i spoke with a gm yesterday about the empty pr spots and they said that it would be a good idea if we put in a suggestion that they fix the pr situation because if it is causing people to quit the game (Decoy) then it cant be a good change, if it is intentional, if it isnt it will force them to actually pull there fingers out and fix it. as no game will keep something that is pushing there players from the game

if anyone else is going to put a suggestion in about this please try to put in as much info as you can on the problems there is with the pr foraging as they will need alot of info to actually make it work because they do have to make sup/exc mats a reward for taking risks and also have the lvl req on mats and such

the observations i have made on pr is that there is a serious problem with the availability of the materials due to the fact that the sources empty out and dont respawn unless there is a reboot...

some may say ok this is fine as there is reboots atleast once a week or fortnight

but then you need to look at when supreme mats are available.

for instance the fiber at the gate of obscurity karavan tp is supreme in spring and spring only each season lasts about 4 days real time so that material is only available for 4 days each fortnight....

with the empty spots being how they are if someone digs the supreme and it emptys on the first day of spring which is about 67-70 materials. if there is no reboot all that week untill it changes to summer then the only fiber available in that spot for the fortnight is 67-70 pieces of supreme not even enough to make a set of light armour is it? if none of it fails of course and if you can find the other mats you need before someone else gets to them and emptys it

the materials should deplete and respawn exactly as town spawns imho since you have a level req of 90 to actually be able to use the stanza to dig supreme and the fact that there only available for 4 days each 2 weeks let alone the fact that the weather indicator isnt acurate

it seems in prime roots there is 2 types of weather... fair... and sap storm

sometimes the sap drips from the roof and it is fair other times it drips and its a sap storm sometimes there is wind and it says its fair sometimes its fair and it actually gets it right this time because it says fair

for people who lvled up there prime root skill and no other foraging skills i dont think one set of armour every fortnight is going to get them much sp in the crafting trees

not sure what else i can add to this apart from that if you arent happy with the prime root foraging situation then soon as the server gets up put your suggestion tickets in and tell them how bad it is maybe they will fix it a bit sooner as this is now 2 patches weve had since the empty spots arrived and nothing has been done to repair it


my pr forage is 95 desert is 155 btw for anyone who was wondering... id like to lvl my prime roots forage more but with even the choice mats in prime root emptying after 60-70 mats it isnt so easy

[lootking]

im 100 pr. i started goin in umbra 2 weeks ago at 51. (i do lots besides pr too)

i love pr digging. the empty sources dont bother me. i just keep moving on and find another that isnt

i have 167 sources mapped out in lands of umbra, so far, i have never left without a full pack, and it usually only takes me, oh 30% longer to fill, and the best part is its mostly excellent and supreme mats


for me the best way to deal with how pr works, is to deal with how pr works


by the way, did you know a source that is depleted in choice, may still have excellent and supreme life left in it??? (hard to believe, but experiment a bit, its true)

[helbreat]

by the way, did you know a source that is depleted in choice, may still have excellent and supreme life left in it??? (hard to believe, but experiment a bit, its true)

of course i do know that yes everyone knows that but your looking at it as just you, look at it on a wider scale at the moment there is only a handfull of prime root foragers people who have botherd to go there and grind some lvls

the only reason i can guess that your finding materials easily at the moment is that no one else can be botherd to mess around with the empty spawns so your most likely the only person in there

have you noticed that when you empty a supreme spot any other supreme materials in close proximity are also emptied? sometimes you empty choice spots and the excellent will spawn empty too? i was digging some exc shells when the weather changed and all that was available was choice so i dug those and it emptied then the weather changed back for exc and they were empty yet they wernt b4 the weather changed

[lootking]

i guess i was trying to convey the feeling that, instead of being derailed by what doesnt work, just use what does, and keep rolling.

im assuming the devs are aware of the oddities theyre created in the pr with the last batch of code changes, im assuming they havent found an appropriate fix yet, or theyd make changes again.


as for it being less of a problem because not many people are in there. well, i see this playing out like this......

if there is enough people in there, that u truly cannot harvest anything, ie. 80% of all the nodes are done, gone, empty, not a mat in sight. then, some teamwork will be required by people who wish to protect certain nodes for themselves and their group,team,guild.

and how do they protect these sources?

aaah yes, umbra is pvp, you actually can defend the sources !!!


so, now u have a situation where high level warriors and healers are hunting / guarding in pr, gaining levels. and at the same time youve got harvesters securly harvesting their nodes


thats just my take...........

[helbreat]

i guess i was trying to convey the feeling that, instead of being derailed by what doesnt work, just use what does, and keep rolling.

im assuming the devs are aware of the oddities theyre created in the pr with the last batch of code changes, im assuming they havent found an appropriate fix yet, or theyd make changes again.


as for it being less of a problem because not many people are in there. well, i see this playing out like this......

if there is enough people in there, that u truly cannot harvest anything, ie. 80% of all the nodes are done, gone, empty, not a mat in sight. then, some teamwork will be required by people who wish to protect certain nodes for themselves and their group,team,guild.

and how do they protect these sources?

aaah yes, umbra is pvp, you actually can defend the sources !!!


so, now u have a situation where high level warriors and healers are hunting / guarding in pr, gaining levels. and at the same time youve got harvesters securly harvesting their nodes


thats just my take...........

forcing people in to pvp will never work in harvesting areas

people will just keep quitting the game or stop harvesting in pr if that is the devs intention to force us to fight over materials or all us crafters will just sell choice stuff ;P

as for the devs being aware of it im not sure on this i ticketed it the first day it started happening 3 weeks later there was still no reply to the gm's question to them as to wether it was intentional or a bug and to this day ive still not had a straight answer =/ all i got told was to put a suggestion in about it

[Eshin]

for people who lvled up there prime root skill and no other foraging skills i dont think one set of armour every fortnight is going to get them much sp in the crafting trees

And here you strike right in the core of my main problem at the moment.

I just feel that I'm penalized because I didn't level any other ecosystems and seeing that my crafting really depends on my harvesting, it's a shaolin dropkick in the chin, instead of just a dropkick (which I'm more than willing to endure)

My only comfort is that where I harvest there isn't many harvesters around, so I do get mats to level a bit, but once the spots dry out, I just need to do something else, even though I wouldn't want to. And, it's only a matter of time when there will be more harvesters and under current conditions, due to the limitations and insanely long respawn times, available materials aren't enough for a single harvester, let alone many.

Limit supreme, limit excellent, but you must leave the choice alone, or make fine and basic appear in prime roots for grinding and leveling purposes, or just ease the ungodly respawn times. I must already tolerate kitin patrols, insane amount of aggro, pesky weather conditions and sesonal availabilities, so hindering my craftings and leveling in prime roots (to certain extent) as well isn't going to help. I need tons and tons of materials just to get few levels in craft, so this is like a nightmare for me.

And lootking, you'll be able to find spots that are not empty, like helbreat said, because the lack of pr harvester roaming about. But the point here is, what about when there's more? (as there will be, naturally) And what about people who level their craft as well? What on earth will I do with ambers or seeds if I solely rely on my pr harvest to craft heavy armors? Just moving to the next spot is a useless advice if every single lining spot I know of, for example, is empty for the next 24h.

[lootking]

well, the idea of pvp in there is supposed to be fun for some people hehe, exciting, maybe wanted even lol


there is other land you can harvest much more safely, hech there is even a decent amount of pr land that is not pvp, and there is alot of nodes in there too


from the tone of your posts, i get the feeling that u just want to walk into this wonderland of a utopic prime roots, where the supreme is always flowing and sources never empty. you dont want to have to look for sources that may cause you any risk, and you certainly dont want to have to live through the horrific dissapointment of seeing a source with nothing in it.


its risk vs reward as i see it


*points down at his levels*

yes im a crafter, yes i will be grinding out 100 pieces of pr armor a day, just like i do with my lake armor, very soon. im pulling in the 120's already in pr(using it for lower levels in craft), so a few more days and ill be doing it , no problem

[borg9]

And here you strike right in the core of my main problem at the moment.

I just feel that I'm penalized because I didn't level any other ecosystems and seeing that my crafting really depends on my harvesting, it's a shaolin dropkick in the chin, instead of just a dropkick (which I'm more than willing to endure)

My only comfort is that where I harvest there isn't many harvesters around, so I do get mats to level a bit, but once the spots dry out, I just need to do something else, even though I wouldn't want to. And, it's only a matter of time when there will be more harvesters and under current conditions, due to the limitations and insanely long respawn times, available materials aren't enough for a single harvester, let alone many.

Limit supreme, limit excellent, but you must leave the choice alone, or make fine and basic appear in prime roots for grinding and leveling purposes, or just ease the ungodly respawn times. I must already tolerate kitin patrols, insane amount of aggro, pesky weather conditions and sesonal availabilities, so hindering my craftings and leveling in prime roots (to certain extent) as well isn't going to help. I need tons and tons of materials just to get few levels in craft, so this is like a nightmare for me.

And lootking, you'll be able to find spots that are not empty, like helbreat said, because the lack of pr harvester roaming about. But the point here is, what about when there's more? (as there will be, naturally) And what about people who level their craft as well? What on earth will I do with ambers or seeds if I solely rely on my pr harvest to craft heavy armors? Just moving to the next spot is a useless advice if every single lining spot I know of, for example, is empty for the next 24h.

I do find it quite amazing that to grind you use the best mats available in the game! I won't critise you, if you want to do it that fine by me.

I don't however understand your logic ... 4 lands each with huge areas that are aggro free and provide great mats for grinding, shops full of animal mats, animals packed with animal mats for grinding.

Is it just me or is the idea of grind 100's of choice/excellent/supreme mats to get a lvl of craft see kind of wasteful. A bit like drying your dishs on a silk scarf!

Ho hum .... I used to feel kinda bad grinding on choice mats, but thats me.

[lootking]

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And lootking, you'll be able to find spots that are not empty, like helbreat said, because the lack of pr harvester roaming about. But the point here is, what about when there's more? (as there will be, naturally) And what about people who level their craft as well? What on earth will I do with ambers or seeds if I solely rely on my pr harvest to craft heavy armors? Just moving to the next spot is a useless advice if every single lining spot I know of, for example, is empty for the next 24h.

ok, so youre saying you solely rely on pr mats to level your heavy armor

correct me if im wrong, but you get pr spec bricks at 150 in any harvest line

so, you surely have a line over 150, or what the heck are ya doin in pr ?

if you do have a line over 150, you can finish your pattern with resin from there

[helbreat]

well, the idea of pvp in there is supposed to be fun for some people hehe, exciting, maybe wanted even lol


there is other land you can harvest much more safely, hech there is even a decent amount of pr land that is not pvp, and there is alot of nodes in there too


from the tone of your posts, i get the feeling that u just want to walk into this wonderland of a utopic prime roots, where the supreme is always flowing and sources never empty. you dont want to have to look for sources that may cause you any risk, and you certainly dont want to have to live through the horrific dissapointment of seeing a source with nothing in it.


its risk vs reward as i see it


*points down at his levels*

yes im a crafter, yes i will be grinding out 100 pieces of pr armor a day, just like i do with my lake armor, very soon. im pulling in the 120's already in pr(using it for lower levels in craft), so a few more days and ill be doing it , no problem

lol i guess you have only been lvling your prime roots recently then?

2-3 months ago i walked in to pr and it was an evil wonderland exc/supreme mats everywhere and they spawned and depleted like town spawns except there is a shed load of agro and seasons and weather to contend with....

now we have all the same problems to deal with from before except they have added more, increased damage since patch 1..... then they have made it so you need a 100q stanza to dig supreme mats from a 150q source 150q stanza to dig supreme from a 200q source and 200q stanza to dig supreme in a 250q area empty resources and pvp

so i guess you can understand why im a bit annoyed when you say i want to just walk in to wonderland..... as i did walk in to wonderland and then it was taken away

and risk v's reward? lol dont make me laugh the reward has been the same since day one in prime roots its only the risks getting worse and the rewards getting lower..... if they wanted to reward us for all the extra risks they should be making more mats not lowering the ammount we can get