Ryzom

Well! can anybody tell me?? It appears that we in Zorai have zero race community. Everybody busy shuffling about in their own little guild worlds oblivious to and unwilling to take the slightest interest in their fellow homins.

Why do I say this? well, simple really, i got the dog In Zora we have a market that singularly fails to cater for mages above lvl110. We appear to have zero crafters wishing to utilise the market to sell their products to their fellow Zoraians. Why? why is this?? For 3 days now I have been trying to track down some high ql amps, calls in region illicit zero response and tells to known crafters result in "sorry I only craft for my guild" responses!!

This kind of insular attitude is rediculous. Refusing assistance etc to our racial opposition would be understandable but to endeavour to cripple your own race progression is nuts. The game is bigger than the individual guilds and those guilds who believe they can "own the server" by stiffling the market / advancement of others - your card is marked (you know who you are)!!

"Bah, shut up nd go forage"!! I can hear it now, why should I, I don't want to be a forager or a crafter, that's not the path I chose. But alas, it appears that too much in Zorai is forcing us to become a "Nation of Shopkeepers". I would suggest that, as a way to combat the lack of market, the GMs do not allow the sale of items to NPC above lvl100, or at the very least make the price offered so low that it becomes pointless to sell to them!!

In the meantime, well I dunno really, maybe try the attitude that seems to be becoming prevalent - "Sorry, I will only rez for my guildies now"!!!!

Hey, you describes Zoraï in a nutshell!
No wonder they had to dwell in the jungle
and we the royal race, got the wery nice
and fresh forest! Hehe...

I think it's oba's fault. Blame him. He's creating a racial stereotype for you Zoria. Someone needs to put him in his place and if a Zoria did it, well, maybe we'd look on them more favourably and the Zoria people could go back to having a sense of community rather than having to hide their faces in guilds.

talktalk wrote:Well! can anybody tell me?? It appears that we in Zorai have zero race community. Everybody busy shuffling about in their own little guild worlds oblivious to and unwilling to take the slightest interest in their fellow homins.

I resent that, I do help my fellow Zorais.
Those who help might not be there when you need the help, but there are helpful homins out there.

talktalk wrote:Why do I say this? well, simple really, i got the dog In Zora we have a market that singularly fails to cater for mages above lvl110. We appear to have zero crafters wishing to utilise the market to sell their products to their fellow Zoraians. Why? why is this?? For 3 days now I have been trying to track down some high ql amps, calls in region illicit zero response and tells to known crafters result in "sorry I only craft for my guild" responses!!

If I remember correctly you can only buy up to ql100 in Zora, and you have to go to on of the other cities to get higher ql.
As for me, I sell on to merchants once or twice in a week. Maybe not the best items, but you should be able to find some of my items below and above ql150 (2H swords, daggers and amps).
As a crafter/harvester I can understand why they only want to craft for the guild.
Most players what the very best there is, if it is bellow that, they often want it at a price which is ridicules low.
If you are out of the mats needed, you have to spend time (and dappers if you have to teleport) to get what is needed. Add to that that some mats are seasonal and/or weather dependant. Most homins rarely have the mats on them that you need for the crafting (in fact I can't even remember the last time someone had the mats for the crafting, even though I do it for free if they have).
Further more, at a certain level as crafter and harvester, you have more dappers than you can shake a stick at, and the income from an purchase order versus the time/effort spend is simply not worth it.

talktalk wrote:This kind of insular attitude is rediculous. Refusing assistance etc to our racial opposition would be understandable but to endeavour to cripple your own race progression is nuts. The game is bigger than the individual guilds and those guilds who believe they can "own the server" by stiffling the market / advancement of others - your card is marked (you know who you are)!!

Agreed...

talktalk wrote:"Bah, shut up nd go forage"!! I can hear it now, why should I, I don't want to be a forager or a crafter, that's not the path I chose. But alas, it appears that too much in Zorai is forcing us to become a "Nation of Shopkeepers". I would suggest that, as a way to combat the lack of market, the GMs do not allow the sale of items to NPC above lvl100, or at the very least make the price offered so low that it becomes pointless to sell to them!!

Imposing artificial restrictions on players is always a bad idea.
Note that you can't have more than 128 items at sale at the merchants, and crafting above level 100 can easyly produce 100's of items.
If you can't sell onto the merchant, you have two choises:
- Keep everything, and wait for the items at the merchants to be sold. Ie. no room to get new craft mats.
- Give what you have away or destroy it, which both defeats the point of crafting for levels (and some dappers) and the merchants.

magick1 wrote:I resent that, I do help my fellow
Zorais.

As do I...........

magick1 wrote:If I remember correctly........

I am online more than most trust me and for weeks I have not seen Player crafted amps on the Zorai market higher than q130 in all that time. Yes there are npc q150, q200 nd q250 amps available but note "NPC"! I would think it also fair to assume that a level 145 chr would have checked outside of Zora!!

magick1 wrote:Add to that that some mats are seasonal and/or weather dependant....

Oh please, we're talking bark, amber nd fibre here, choice avail all the time nd excellent most of the time. To quote a film "if u build it they will come"!!

magick1 wrote:Further more, at a certain level as crafter and harvester, you have more dappers than you can shake a stick at....

Exactly, you have no incentive whatsoever to assist, where's the gain for you, it's too much effort.

magick1 wrote:Imposing artificial restrictions on players is always a bad idea.
Note that you can't have more than 128 items at sale at the merchants, and crafting above level 100 can easyly produce 100's of items.
If you can't sell onto the merchant, you have two choises:
- Keep everything, and wait for the items at the merchants to be sold. Ie. no room to get new craft mats.

Disagree, as by your own admission you have too much dappers so why craft for sale to other players or for the market!? Restrictions would serve to alleviate this situation and the burden of your heavy wallet! lol

magick1 wrote:Give what you have away or destroy it, which both defeats the point of crafting for levels (and some dappers) and the merchants.

Rubbish. You're crafting FOR levels, to be able to produce higher QL equipment, or are you trying to convince me that receiving higher levels is a pleasant side bonus to crafting all that low level junk for the guild???

Any more please.............????

talktalk wrote:I am online more than most trust me and for weeks I have not seen Player crafted amps on the Zorai market higher than q130 in all that time. Yes there are npc q150, q200 nd q250 amps available but note "NPC"! I would think it also fair to assume that a level 145 chr would have checked outside of Zora!!

Funny, because I had q130+ on sale for weeks. And just checked in game status, still got q130-q150 on sale.

talktalk wrote:Oh please, we're talking bark, amber nd fibre here, choice avail all the time nd excellent most of the time. To quote a film "if u build it they will come"!!

Basic to choise sells okay when below q100 (q50 sells the best). Excellent and supreme sells all the time, no matter the q.
As I said elsewhere, most people want excellent or better, which means you have to harvest in the right season if you don't have the mats.
And last time I checked, some of these are only available in the summer (for instance), meaning only every 4th week!

talktalk wrote:

magick1 wrote:Further more, at a certain level as crafter and harvester, you have more dappers than you can shake a stick at....

Exactly, you have no incentive whatsoever to assist, where's the gain for you, it's too much effort.

Note that I was talking about (some of the) other players, not me, since I have already stated that I do craft for others and for sale at the merchants.
If you don't want to buy my items, don't. I will still continue to sell to the merchants, because some actually buy what I make.

talktalk wrote:Disagree, as by your own admission you have too much dappers so why craft for sale to other players or for the market!? Restrictions would serve to alleviate this situation and the burden of your heavy wallet! lol

Read the above again. I never said I had too many dappers.
My point was that the income from leveling (assuming you harvest yourself) gives a lot of dappers on higher levels.
That income is often used on buying mats to level other crafts, or towards the guild, for me at least.

PS. Just curious, what is your in game name ?

I am selling not only outside guild, but to all nations as well. As I hear that makes me very special, not only for Zorai but for the majority of the game lol. Maybe I will regret it one day, but for now I don't.

I also sell to all, however I havent been to Zorai yet, just Matis, Tryker and Fyros lol.

Zorai seems to be the most unpopulated continent as far as I can see.

I think that is one of the major problems is lack of high quality equipment. I think it could be that there are fewer high level Zorai around than in other places thus the demand for equipment is lower as is the number of people crafting to this level.

Having said that one of the highest level harvesters on the server is a Zorai.

Also nearly everyone joins a guild for the benefits it gives, which is equipment, help and advice.

I also am Zorai and always have to request that other players make me equipement as I cant find it in Zorai. I travel to the crafter and pay them for what I need.

The easiest solution is to join a guild or find players who craft and buy from them.

If you are stuck in Zorai only then things become more difficult and the only way things will change if if we get more player who are willing to harvest/craft and sell items to the shops.

In a sense the fighters and mages are heavily dependant on the crafters and harvesters to keep them in equipment.

The other option is to become a harvester and crafter - like I said in another post - its all repetitive key pressing - so whether you end up with dead animals and mats or with mats and crafted items is kind of all the same in the grand scheme of whacking the keyboard for hours and watching your ability to do something slowly creep up.

I hear after level 100 harvesting becomes a lot easier.

Xorte

talktalk wrote:Well! can anybody tell me?? It appears that we in Zorai have zero race community. Everybody busy shuffling about in their own little guild worlds oblivious to and unwilling to take the slightest interest in their fellow homins.

Why do I say this? well, simple really, i got the dog In Zora we have a market that singularly fails to cater for mages above lvl110. We appear to have zero crafters wishing to utilise the market to sell their products to their fellow Zoraians. Why? why is this?? For 3 days now I have been trying to track down some high ql amps, calls in region illicit zero response and tells to known crafters result in "sorry I only craft for my guild" responses!!

This kind of insular attitude is rediculous. Refusing assistance etc to our racial opposition would be understandable but to endeavour to cripple your own race progression is nuts. The game is bigger than the individual guilds and those guilds who believe they can "own the server" by stiffling the market / advancement of others - your card is marked (you know who you are)!!

"Bah, shut up nd go forage"!! I can hear it now, why should I, I don't want to be a forager or a crafter, that's not the path I chose. But alas, it appears that too much in Zorai is forcing us to become a "Nation of Shopkeepers". I would suggest that, as a way to combat the lack of market, the GMs do not allow the sale of items to NPC above lvl100, or at the very least make the price offered so low that it becomes pointless to sell to them!!

In the meantime, well I dunno really, maybe try the attitude that seems to be becoming prevalent - "Sorry, I will only rez for my guildies now"!!!!

Now, I craft items mainly to level (mainly junk items but good as well) so that I am able to make better equipment for myself and for which ever guild that I am in. I do not craft to order and do not advertise the fact that I craft which, is why I sell 99.9% of my crafted items to the NPCs and not for resale (now that items crafters are identified). I craft a lot and have no interest in becoming a well know crafter and spending most of my time searching for mats to craft items which, is why I limit what I supply, no other reason than that. I do not sell what I craft within a guild I craft it for free as I make more than enough money selling to the NPCs.

Now if you have a problem with this kind of attitude then I would suggest that you start crafting yourself, then you will never be disappointed with not being able to get what you want. Granted it will take sometime to get the ql you want but in the long run it will be worth it.

I use all my skills so I do not want to be limited to a few just to please other people, after all if it ceases to be fun then I leave.

And as for your rez comment it does not even deserve an answer.