PR Forging
PR Forging
As of recently, I have been encountering this message while digging in PR "Your quality stanza is too low to forage this source" it seems to pop up when the nodes switch to supreme mats. I have no problem with the choice and excellent mats. I currently am lvl 130 PR, and didn't have this problem prior to the last patch. Does anyone else get this message? Has the digging pre-reqresist changed for supreme mats in PR? This happens in umbra along with the empty node syndrom. Is this a bug or do you now need to be a certain lvl to get supreme mats from PR. I believe the empty node syndrom in Umbra has been recognized as a bug and am just wondering if this a bug also.
Re: PR Forging
have you sent in a ticket?charu wrote:As of recently, I have been encountering this message while digging in PR "Your quality stanza is too low to forage this source" it seems to pop up when the nodes switch to supreme mats. I have no problem with the choice and excellent mats. I currently am lvl 130 PR, and didn't have this problem prior to the last patch. Does anyone else get this message? Has the digging pre-reqresist changed for supreme mats in PR? This happens in umbra along with the empty node syndrom. Is this a bug or do you now need to be a certain lvl to get supreme mats from PR. I believe the empty node syndrom in Umbra has been recognized as a bug and am just wondering if this a bug also.
Re: PR Forging
As far as I know it is a new feature. Both the points you bring up are new features of the changes they have made to prime roots.
1.) Supreme mats require your pr harvest to be within a certain level of the zone. Since you stated you were 130 I am guessing you were in a 150-200 Prime root zone and thus your lvl 130 Forage was below the minimum required to pull supreme mats in that zone. If you were to try and pull supreme mats in a 100-150 prime roots zone in umbra (like windy) then you would encounter no problems IIRC.
2.) The empty nodes are for all of roots not just Umbra. The feature is that the roots sources deplete and need time to replenish. How long this time takes is something I've still not figured out.
1.) Supreme mats require your pr harvest to be within a certain level of the zone. Since you stated you were 130 I am guessing you were in a 150-200 Prime root zone and thus your lvl 130 Forage was below the minimum required to pull supreme mats in that zone. If you were to try and pull supreme mats in a 100-150 prime roots zone in umbra (like windy) then you would encounter no problems IIRC.
2.) The empty nodes are for all of roots not just Umbra. The feature is that the roots sources deplete and need time to replenish. How long this time takes is something I've still not figured out.
Re: PR Forging
Thanks roninpvp for the info. I guess I missed the patch notes on that. I will try windy and see if that fixes the problem.
Re: PR Forging
In order to pull excellent mats in PR you need to use a quality stanza on your extraction that is 100 or less below the max q for the region. For supreme the stanza needs to be 50 or less below max q.
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Re: PR Forging
The last patch seems to have stealth nerfed PR foraging in a big way. Some of the changes look similar to a thread here about some thoughts the devs had regarding changing PR foraging, but appear to be much more severe. As usual, no implementation, testing, or feedback on the ATS, and the comments of the player base seem to have been ignored.
Two major changes I've noticed.
First, placing shiny new mats and mat limits per node with the stated intent that PvP be encouraged over them - well, you'd figure that that would take place only in the Nexus and Umbra where PvP is implemented. (Why Nexus mats are considered PR when they're just q200 choice forest mats is beyond me, but that's another issue.) Instead, every PR node everywhere seems to be quite capable of drying up. (For those who haven't seen this, we're not talking about the usual 'raw materials used to be here but they're depleted' and 10-minute recharge. Instead, the source quantity bar comes up in your initial survey at 0, and recharging the entire area can take some indeterminate but extremely long time - like 24 hours.)
What's disturbing about this is that the way this got implemented is that it's not just supreme and excellent mats that are rare. Instead, if a node goes, everything in the node is gone for the 12-24 hours...no choice mats either. On top of that, you can in fact exhaust the node just harvesting choice mats - and there doesn't seem to be any warning if that's the case. Just one minute you're harvesting, and the next (or even during harvesting!), the node is gone. It feels like a daily limit of something like 200 mats per node. Cerest's point that lower level harvesters could still get stuff in the PR is completely inaccurate if they don't have any nodes to harvest!
Second, while I'd gotten the 'not high enough stanza' message before, now your ability to harvest excellent/supreme seems to be fixed at your PR harvesting level. Basically, you can harvest choice mats right out of the box. As stated above, there seem to be level limits. However, the level limits for certain nodes seem to be different...in some places I've been able to pull, in others the -100/-50 limit applies.
One tip though - if you have a q100/q150/q200 stanza from outside of PR don't use it unless you're within 10 levels of your PR skill if the node goes to excellent/supreme!. Not only will you get substantial drops as always, but it seems to nuke the node in a single pull! I suspect this is why many of the commonly known nodes are gone constantly.
I really hope the OP's comment about the empty node issue being a bug is accurate. While I actually think making excellent/supreme mats available only at higher levels isn't all that bad of an idea, when you can't even grind PR harvesting using choice experience to get there with a mat limit and fragile nodes, there's a difference between discouraging people from harvesting in PR and making it essentially impossible unless you've already PL'd PR harvest regardless of your other skills being at level 1 or 250.
Two major changes I've noticed.
First, placing shiny new mats and mat limits per node with the stated intent that PvP be encouraged over them - well, you'd figure that that would take place only in the Nexus and Umbra where PvP is implemented. (Why Nexus mats are considered PR when they're just q200 choice forest mats is beyond me, but that's another issue.) Instead, every PR node everywhere seems to be quite capable of drying up. (For those who haven't seen this, we're not talking about the usual 'raw materials used to be here but they're depleted' and 10-minute recharge. Instead, the source quantity bar comes up in your initial survey at 0, and recharging the entire area can take some indeterminate but extremely long time - like 24 hours.)
What's disturbing about this is that the way this got implemented is that it's not just supreme and excellent mats that are rare. Instead, if a node goes, everything in the node is gone for the 12-24 hours...no choice mats either. On top of that, you can in fact exhaust the node just harvesting choice mats - and there doesn't seem to be any warning if that's the case. Just one minute you're harvesting, and the next (or even during harvesting!), the node is gone. It feels like a daily limit of something like 200 mats per node. Cerest's point that lower level harvesters could still get stuff in the PR is completely inaccurate if they don't have any nodes to harvest!
Second, while I'd gotten the 'not high enough stanza' message before, now your ability to harvest excellent/supreme seems to be fixed at your PR harvesting level. Basically, you can harvest choice mats right out of the box. As stated above, there seem to be level limits. However, the level limits for certain nodes seem to be different...in some places I've been able to pull, in others the -100/-50 limit applies.
One tip though - if you have a q100/q150/q200 stanza from outside of PR don't use it unless you're within 10 levels of your PR skill if the node goes to excellent/supreme!. Not only will you get substantial drops as always, but it seems to nuke the node in a single pull! I suspect this is why many of the commonly known nodes are gone constantly.
I really hope the OP's comment about the empty node issue being a bug is accurate. While I actually think making excellent/supreme mats available only at higher levels isn't all that bad of an idea, when you can't even grind PR harvesting using choice experience to get there with a mat limit and fragile nodes, there's a difference between discouraging people from harvesting in PR and making it essentially impossible unless you've already PL'd PR harvest regardless of your other skills being at level 1 or 250.
Re: PR Forging
I find this part rediculous, if there is nothing to be foudn then give us a source depleted message like other areas and not this stupid popping of empty sources.roninpvp wrote: 2.) The empty nodes are for all of roots not just Umbra. The feature is that the roots sources deplete and need time to replenish. How long this time takes is something I've still not figured out.
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Well I seem to be doing ok harvesting in Trench of Trials and I'm lvl 62 in PR and > 150 in Lake. I know in ToT (q200) if you want to pull supreme mats then you need to use at least a 150 quality extraction action. I do have the PR extraction specialization and use material extraction specialization, so I am able to pull supreme mats up to about q90, 25 or so over my current PR level.
The one thing that did really help was that in my extraction action, I used a much higher credit than necessary to get my success rate over 90%. Now if only I had just a bit more focus...
The one thing that did really help was that in my extraction action, I used a much higher credit than necessary to get my success rate over 90%. Now if only I had just a bit more focus...
Re: PR Forging
I feel that empty nodes should NOT pop up when prospected, they are empty, they should despawn. I feel that depleted, empty or other wise NOT there nodes should NOT be tracked either.
roninpvp wrote:As far as I know it is a new feature. Both the points you bring up are new features of the changes they have made to prime roots.
1.) Supreme mats require your pr harvest to be within a certain level of the zone. Since you stated you were 130 I am guessing you were in a 150-200 Prime root zone and thus your lvl 130 Forage was below the minimum required to pull supreme mats in that zone. If you were to try and pull supreme mats in a 100-150 prime roots zone in umbra (like windy) then you would encounter no problems IIRC.
2.) The empty nodes are for all of roots not just Umbra. The feature is that the roots sources deplete and need time to replenish. How long this time takes is something I've still not figured out.