Will they fix the starting fame points?

[raynes]

It's very clear that the Zorai and Fryos are friends on one side, while the Matis and Tryker are friends on the other. So I'd like to know if they plan on fixing the fact that a Zorai player starts off with -16 Fryos and +16 Matis.

[xcomvic]

Matis have Zorai higher than tryker.. and somehow Corsairs are now almost HOSTILE to me, at -43 fame... when they were +1 with me...

[raynes]

Ok there is something really f'd up here. Either the people writing the lore are clueless or the devs don't discuss fame awarding with them.

In the recently published lore section, in the write up about the Zorai it says the follow:
"Friendly tribes include : The Barkers, The Dune Riders, The Beachcombers, The Icon Worshipers, The Tutors, The Hamazans of the Dead Seed, The Ecowarriors, The Oasis Diggers, The Sacred Sap, The Siblings of the Weeds."

It also has the following rules:
"You must never have dealings with the Karavan
Never mock or oppose the Kamis. The Kamis act for the good of Atys. "

Well tonight I found the Barkers. It turns out they are a Karavan based tribe. Doing a mission for them awards Karvan fame, Barker fame, and takes away Kami fame. If it takes away Kami fame, that would be opposing the Kami. Now explain to me how the Zorai consider a tribe that supports their enemy as friends? How exactly am I suppose to raise my Barker fame without pleasing the Karavan or doing things for the Karavan?

I'm sorry but the more I dig into the fame system, the more I see that the people behind it are clueless. They have enemy factions starting with a positive fame level with each other while their allies have negative fame. They have a race that view the Kami as gods being friendly with tribes that support their enemy. They have made it impossible to build fame with friends as it will build fame with the enemy.

I know you will read this Crest and I would like an answer, why is the fame system so messed up and when will it be fixed? Or if someone is telling you that the fame system is correct then have them come and explain how I am suppose to build fame with friendly tribes when they award fame to the enemy. Even better yet have them explain to us why the Zorai and Fryos are allies, yet they start out with a negative fame number.

If you want to tell a good story you really need to get your act together.

[lyrah68]

I agree. the Fame system needs ALOT Of work before I will do anything more than the missions at my OWN races cities, and MAYBE a few with the Kami since I am a Fyros.

[perrako]

The Matis and Fyros things make sense if you look in the lore at how we Zorai deal with other races.

[raynes]

The Matis and Fyros things make sense if you look in the lore at how we Zorai deal with other races.

When a player starts as a Zorai they are given -16 Fryos fame and +16 Matis fame.

From the lore section on the website:
Fyros : The Fyros are brash though valiant warriors who in recent times have proved worthy of our trust. They have been making good progress in their spiritual development and have clearly chosen the way of the Kamis.

Matis : We must try to free the Matis from the influence of the Karavan and bring them round to the Kami way of living. This is why, in 2509, the present Matis king, Yrkanis, was given refuge in Zora and helped to muster an army to depose the ultra-Karavan monarch and install a more tolerant government. This was the first step to coax the Matis into the Kami world. But word has got out that there is growing opposition against Yrkanis within his own kingdom. We must remain vigilant!


Now how does it make sense that the group we trust has a -16 fame rating, and the group that is led by "the ultra-Karavan monarch" has a +16 rating?

[zumwalt]

I stopped doing fame missions back after patch 1 was released.
Simply because I think (personally) there all broken.

[angus858]

When a player starts as a Zorai they are given -16 Fryos fame and +16 Matis fame.

Now how does it make sense that the group we trust has a -16 fame rating, and the group that is led by "the ultra-Karavan monarch" has a +16 rating?

Here is one possible explanation. Suppose the fame ratings are based on a past history of strife. Maybe Zorai and Fryros had a political, social, or economic struggle that resulted in ill feelings which have not yet fully healed (hence the negative fame). Given that the Fyros are open to the Kami it makes sense that the Zorai leadership would encourage us (the Zorai people) to mend past differences and ask us to trust them as "brothers of the Kami". The negative fame represents a prejudice to be overcome.

Perhaps our past relations with the Matis were more cordial. Perhaps we had economic or security agreements for an extensive period that explains the legacy of a positive fame. Now, however, as conflict between the Kami and Karavan is heating up the Zorai and Matis are transitioning from friend to enemy.

I doubt the devs wanted the politics of Ryzom to be as simple as Kami vs. Karavan. That would make earning fame easier but, in my opinion, not nearly as interesting.

[ichigono]

One other thing to keep in mind; from previous experience, Undersprings, the PR zone that separates Fyros from Zorai, is the meanest PR zone of them all, the heaviest with aggro. It's entirely possible that the fame reflects the relative ease with which members of a nation can visit another nation, in which case higher Matis faction for Fyros characters makes sense. Matis are more commonly seen in Fyros, so they have more fame with Fyros NPCs, for example. The easiest treks I've seen, not that any of them are EASY by any means , were Fyros-Matis and Tryker-Zorai, and the hardest were Matis-Tryker and Fyros-Zorai.

That MAY have something to do with it...