Misconceptions about fame

[raynes]

Seeing as there is a lot of misconceptions about how to gain or loose fame I wanted to investigate some of them. Where better a place to try such things than the test server.

1) Killing wandering NPC's gives or takes away fame.
Test: Go and kill a bunch of wandering Icon Worshippers and see if fame drops or increases.
Result: After killng about 30 wandering Icon tribe members I had no change in my fame levels. Not only was there no change, there was also no triangle indicating a change in my Icon Fame level.

2) Going into a NPC camp and killing NPC's will make your fame drop like lead.
Test: Go into the Icon camp and kill all the NPC's that can be killed.
Result: After killing every guard there was no change in my fame level.

3) Simply striking a NPC (as long as there is some damange) will result in a fame change.
No test needed, number 2 demonstrated that fame will not change even if you kill NPC's.

The end result of my test... You can only gain fame through missions and nothing else.

If someone who has test server access wants to create a 150 character and come test with me, just let me know.

[neiana]

1) Killing wandering NPC's gives or takes away fame.
Test: Go and kill a bunch of wandering Icon Worshippers and see if fame drops or increases.
Result: After killng about 30 wandering Icon tribe members I had no change in my fame levels. Not only was there no change, there was also no triangle indicating a change in my Icon Fame level.

Well, you are level 151, and since it has been established that you do NOT gain or lose fame unless you gain XP. You WILL NOT gain fame unless you are LOW LEVEL and gain xp from Icon Worshippers. So, in this statement, you forgot to mention whether this was or was not the case for you.

2) Going into a NPC camp and killing NPC's will make your fame drop like lead.
Test: Go into the Icon camp and kill all the NPC's that can be killed.
Result: After killing every guard there was no change in my fame level.

You AGAIN ask me to go somewhere that gives me ZERO xp from a kill, which, as we've established already - WILL NOT AFFECT FAME.

3) Simply stiking a NPC (as long as there is some damange) will result in a fame change.
No test needed, number 2 demonstrated that fame will not change even if you kill NPC's.

Never did I experience a change of fame when just striking an NPC, perhaps this was altered long before Ibegan killing NPCs.

The end result of my test... You can only gain fame through missions and nothing else.

The end result has no bearing until you provide what level your test character was.

If someone who has test server access wants to create a 150 character and come test with me, just let me know.

Oh, I'm sorry - you just told me. SO, your test has no validity as you tested on a tribe that gives you no XP. Now, I'll create a character later in Zorai and you and I can go kill higher level tribes and test this with factuals.

- N

[raynes]

All you had to do was say that I didn't test under the correct conditions, not come in and scream at me. Geez, try to clear something up and I get screamed at. I even added at the end if someone wants to come test with me for them to let me know.

[raynes]

As Neina pointed out in her all so charming manor, my test conditions had a fault in them. In order for fame to change while killing NPC's you need to get xp with them. I did not use this as my test because when doing missions, even if they are low level missions that award money, they still give fame, no matter if xp is awarded or not. So I wnet back with my level 54 character on the test server and tried the same tests again.

1)1) Killing wandering NPC's gives or takes away fame.
Test: Go and kill a bunch of wandering Icon Worshippers and see if fame drops or increases.
Result: My fame did indeed drop while killing wandering Icon NPC's.

2) Going into a NPC camp and killing NPC's will make your fame drop like lead.
Test: Go into the Icon camp and kill all the NPC's that can be killed.
Result: Killing one npc guard did cause my fame level to drop, but not like lead. It dropped one point per NPC.

3) Simply stiking a NPC (as long as there is some damange) will result in a fame change.
Test: Strike an Icon Worshipper in a camp
Result: Stirking a NPC guard did nothing to effect my fame.


So results of the second test are as follows:

1)You can get and loose fame by killing wandering NPC's.
2) You can get and loose fame by killing npcs in a camp. Killing one will not cause a massive change to fame levels though.
3) You will not have any effect on your fame level for simply striking a NPC. You have to kill them.


Now again if someone wants to join me to test fame, please let me know. If you are going to be a mean, angry, bitter person then go have a drink calm down, come back and reply nicely.

[xcomvic]

LMAO... nice job neiana

[savvy]

So results of the second test are as follows:

1)You can get and loose xp by killing wandering NPC's.

Don't you mean loose fame not xp?

[raynes]

Yes, I meant fame... will fix it now.

[neiana]

All you had to do was say that I didn't test under the correct conditions, not come in and scream at me. Geez, try to clear something up and I get screamed at. I even added at the end if someone wants to come test with me for them to let me know.

I apologize, however it was approximately in three pages of your "frustration and dissapointment" thread, so I assumed you had read it. I forced myself to read the whole thing just so I didn't repeat what someone else had said in that thread.

- N

[hubba1]

Raynes, thanks for doing the actual leg work to settle the point and also for being big enough to not let some critic's attitude stop you from pursuing the experiment.

It seems you have put to rest all the theory and made it now known fact. Except of course that you only used the test server, so there is always still that one potential issue (it came up once in DAoC that they couldn't replicate some rare issues for leveling etc, but anyway).

I suppose I am supposed to treat Neiana with great respect. She is a very active poster and seems knowledgeable in her views.

That said, as an outsider who has now read about 10 of her posts, I will admit openly, probably leading to my being flamed, that consistently Neiana you come across as , at the very least, border-line arrogant. I hope it's just that you don't have down the art to tease.

Anyway, Raynes, thanks for the info. Neiana thanks for being on the ball and catching his omission on the test.

In this exchange, Rayne, you get my respect for showing some class. Let's hope that the movement spreads. I, for one, am not holding my breath though.

[neiana]

Raynes, thanks for doing the actual leg work to settle the point and also for being big enough to not let some critic's attitude stop you from pursuing the experiment.

It seems you have put to rest all the theory and made it now known fact. Except of course that you only used the test server, so there is always still that one potential issue (it came up once in DAoC that they couldn't replicate some rare issues for leveling etc, but anyway).

I suppose I am supposed to treat Neiana with great respect. She is a very active poster and seems knowledgeable in her views.

That said, as an outsider who has now read about 10 of her posts, I will admit openly, probably leading to my being flamed, that consistently Neiana you come across as , at the very least, border-line arrogant. I hope it's just that you don't have down the art to tease.

Anyway, Raynes, thanks for the info. Neiana thanks for being on the ball and catching his omission on the test.

In this exchange, Rayne, you get my respect for showing some class. Let's hope that the movement spreads. I, for one, am not holding my breath though.

To respond to your two comments.

I am arrogant.

And second, Raynes started a thread: Frustration and disappointment. This thread has reached 9 pages I believe. In this thread, the issue that I responded to Raynes with was brought up a few times. I personally posted several times to that very thread with the fact that - everything Raynes did on the ATS, I have done personally on LIVE server.

My response was presuming that Raynes had actually read through every comment on his epic thread. Now, he did infact respond to one of them, saying that he could not kill the tribes in Witherings, but I did not yet respond to ask him to try somewhere else. I figured he did not get xp elsewhere or else he would have been elsewhere trying - considering the numerous posts in his thread that state: Yes, on the LIVE server, everything he just tested has been the case for quite some time.

Oh, and to reiterate, I am arrogant.

- N