The Atysian Science Forum
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The Atysian Science Forum
Hey All! I invite those wonders and those thinkers to share, debate, and disprove the answers to the mysteries of Atys. If you make a theory... please state facts and observations that support the theory. If you want to disprove the theory, do likewise.
Example...
Obervation: Each type of homin has the same basic body pattern and bodily proportions.
~Conclusion: All homins share a common ancestor
Observation: Diffrent types of homins can mate and bear fertile offspring.
~Conclusion: All homins are of the same species
Observation: All homins display distinct physical traits... Example: short stature and large eyes of trykers.
Observation: The various regions of Atys are fairly isolated from one another.
Observation: Varieties of the same species appear all over Atys, such as the Bodoc, disspite the physical barriers between them.
~Conclusion: These species must have been part of a single population that became seperated due to a geographical change.
Theory: All homins descended from a single population, that became seperated at some point in time. Over time, different traits became isolated and became prevalent in the diffrent populations... resulting in the four types of homins we see now...
I invite all to challange my theory.
Example...
Obervation: Each type of homin has the same basic body pattern and bodily proportions.
~Conclusion: All homins share a common ancestor
Observation: Diffrent types of homins can mate and bear fertile offspring.
~Conclusion: All homins are of the same species
Observation: All homins display distinct physical traits... Example: short stature and large eyes of trykers.
Observation: The various regions of Atys are fairly isolated from one another.
Observation: Varieties of the same species appear all over Atys, such as the Bodoc, disspite the physical barriers between them.
~Conclusion: These species must have been part of a single population that became seperated due to a geographical change.
Theory: All homins descended from a single population, that became seperated at some point in time. Over time, different traits became isolated and became prevalent in the diffrent populations... resulting in the four types of homins we see now...
I invite all to challange my theory.
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Re: The Atysian Science Forum
Hah, Feneris On the Origin of Species!
I'm going to go start up a movement now to declare your teachings heresy to Jena and have them banned from all schools.
~Conclusion: There was no single homin population that split into four. If this was the case, then enough intermingling would eventually return all four types into one homogeneous population again, and this is not so. The four types of homins must've been biologically engineered to always remain divided into 4 types.
I'm going to go start up a movement now to declare your teachings heresy to Jena and have them banned from all schools.
Observation: This offspring however will always be definitely of one type or the other. There are no hybrids.fenerismoon wrote: Observation: Diffrent types of homins can mate and bear fertile offspring.
~Conclusion: All homins are of the same species
~Conclusion: There was no single homin population that split into four. If this was the case, then enough intermingling would eventually return all four types into one homogeneous population again, and this is not so. The four types of homins must've been biologically engineered to always remain divided into 4 types.
I challenge the validity of your conclusion! You've not observed that different types of bodocs can mate and bear fertile offspring! The different types of bodoc might not actually be the same species, but completely different species that just happened to end up looking very similar.fenerismoon wrote:Observation: Varieties of the same species appear all over Atys, such as the Bodoc, disspite the physical barriers between them.
~Conclusion: These species must have been part of a single population that became seperated due to a geographical change.
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Well In fact Feneris is right in some things
Quote: posted by sidusar
Observation: This offspring however will always be definitely of one type or the other. There are no hybrids
Hmm then i wonder where did this come from
This is an early image of the game.
I'd say that there actually where hybrids but only a few and unable to reproduce themselves...
Quote:
Originally Posted by fenerismoon
Observation: Diffrent types of homins can mate and bear fertile offspring.
~Conclusion: All homins are of the same species
Here's an abstract from "ye olde lore" (beta)
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Quote: posted by sidusar
Observation: This offspring however will always be definitely of one type or the other. There are no hybrids
Hmm then i wonder where did this come from
This is an early image of the game.
I'd say that there actually where hybrids but only a few and unable to reproduce themselves...
Quote:
Originally Posted by fenerismoon
Observation: Diffrent types of homins can mate and bear fertile offspring.
~Conclusion: All homins are of the same species
Here's an abstract from "ye olde lore" (beta)
[ Removed - Boroshi ]
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Komissar
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Matisian Botanist: "Complete Atlas of Atysian Flora (work in progress)"
Devoted Scholar of the "Zorai pictograms" "Zorai pictographic Signatures on demand"
Author of "The Kitin Scriptures" "The Kitin Scriptures WEBCOMIC!!!"
"Яussians may die - but never give up!"
Re: The Atysian Science Forum
<OOC>komissar wrote: Here's an abstract from "ye olde lore" (beta)
" The peoples of Atys are known as homins...."
Hello Kommisar,
while the excerpt of the old lore is valuable to the discussion, in my opinion, you shouldn't present it here in 'The Saga' section. This is outside knowledge, that now homin should know about - yet.
Cheers
</OOC>
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This whole thread is OOC, presumably. But yes, it's dubious to post that kind of lore publicly at all (I say this even though I adore "that kind of lore"). It's spoilers.
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Why is it considered inappropriate to publish something that was publicly available long time ago?
For the ones not having the privilege to be here in beta it is actually quite nice to see such things without having to search archives, which would certainly be feasible.
The initial post says, that one should mention observations that support a theory and does not state that only ig-observations are allowed. So, dragging old lore here doesn't seem to be against the threads intention in my opinion.
embrel
For the ones not having the privilege to be here in beta it is actually quite nice to see such things without having to search archives, which would certainly be feasible.
The initial post says, that one should mention observations that support a theory and does not state that only ig-observations are allowed. So, dragging old lore here doesn't seem to be against the threads intention in my opinion.
embrel
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Yeah, I saw the initial post as being OOC and so my response was intended.
The latest [thread=17094]word[/thread] from the powers-that-be on this was:
To have children is possible between homins of two different races, but there will be no interbreeding of the racial physical characteristics, a race will take the step on the other one. So, Matis and Fyros can have children, and they will be of appearance Matis or Fyros.
Lore as old as this probably isn't canon anymore though.
I know the image. That's just the early models of the Fyros and the Zoraï, before the Zoraï masks were written in. Never intended to be hybrids.komissar wrote:This is an early image of the game.
The latest [thread=17094]word[/thread] from the powers-that-be on this was:
To have children is possible between homins of two different races, but there will be no interbreeding of the racial physical characteristics, a race will take the step on the other one. So, Matis and Fyros can have children, and they will be of appearance Matis or Fyros.
Well, that would support my theory then: Homins were [ Removed - Boroshi ] to always remain divided into 4 different types, to make sure they'd always be fighting eachother.komissar wrote:[ Removed - Boroshi ]
Lore as old as this probably isn't canon anymore though.
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While this thread is very interesting, I have two points to make:
1 ) The things Komissar posted is not really "beta" lore as it was not publically available at the time of the last open beta or at release; even if it is a true reflection of the original storyline made by the original writer, things evolve and it may or may not be used as the basis of future storyline. Even despite this, posting such things can generally be considered to be "spoiling" and so not suitable for these forums.
2 ) The screenshot posted is from a very early alpha and should not be used as the basis for any IC or OOC conclusions about the races; as far as I'm aware it's simply what Zorai used to look like before someone decided to give them masks .
As an aside, if there is enough IC interest in discussions like this, I'm sure something can be arranged with the event teams at some point in the future
1 ) The things Komissar posted is not really "beta" lore as it was not publically available at the time of the last open beta or at release; even if it is a true reflection of the original storyline made by the original writer, things evolve and it may or may not be used as the basis of future storyline. Even despite this, posting such things can generally be considered to be "spoiling" and so not suitable for these forums.
2 ) The screenshot posted is from a very early alpha and should not be used as the basis for any IC or OOC conclusions about the races; as far as I'm aware it's simply what Zorai used to look like before someone decided to give them masks .
As an aside, if there is enough IC interest in discussions like this, I'm sure something can be arranged with the event teams at some point in the future
Boroshi
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Oo we have an event team now?
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Seer how much you can suddenly discover by posting forbidden material
Komissar
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"A fond memory" of the "Order of the Nameless"
Matisian Botanist: "Complete Atlas of Atysian Flora (work in progress)"
Devoted Scholar of the "Zorai pictograms" "Zorai pictographic Signatures on demand"
Author of "The Kitin Scriptures" "The Kitin Scriptures WEBCOMIC!!!"
"Яussians may die - but never give up!"
Komizaur (Silan rep.)
"A fond memory" of the "Order of the Nameless"
Matisian Botanist: "Complete Atlas of Atysian Flora (work in progress)"
Devoted Scholar of the "Zorai pictograms" "Zorai pictographic Signatures on demand"
Author of "The Kitin Scriptures" "The Kitin Scriptures WEBCOMIC!!!"
"Яussians may die - but never give up!"