End of Trytonism?

[iphdrunk]

A friend of mine pointed me to an interesting thread [1] where Ryzom live events are being discussed. I read the thread carefully, and there are a few things that I would like to comment on / get feedback. Apparently Mayronn is GM/event Manager in Aniro. In any case, Mayronn seems to speak for CSRs / event guides

[1] http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showpost.php ... stcount=94

---------------------------- Trytonism
Mayronn(CSR) dit : il est illusoire de vouloir contrecarrer le travail du developpement
Mayronn(CSR) dit : c est sterile
Mayronn(CSR) dit : et demagogique puisque ca n aura pas lieu
Mayronn(CSR) dit : je me refuse a faire de fausses promesses
(...)
Xiombarg dit : je pense notamment à des events trytonistes
Xiombarg dit : je ferais dire qu'il ne se passe plus rien pour eux depuis le départ de Xocin
Mayronn(CSR) dit : je pense qu il va falloir etre honnete une bonne foi pour toute avec les trytonistes
Mayronn(CSR) dit : c etait une fois encore une demarche qui allait l encontre de developpement
Mayronn(CSR) dit : dans ce contexte les csrs qui se sont lances la dedans , on cree de la frustration


Mayronn(CSR) dit : it is illusional to go against the work of devs.
Mayronn(CSR) dit : it's futile / sterile
Mayronn(CSR) dit : and demagogic, since it won't happen
Mayronn(CSR) dit : I refuse to make false (broken) promises
(...)
Xiombarg dit : I was thinking about trytonist events
Xiombarg dit : nothing has happened since Xocin's leave.
Mayronn(CSR) dit : I think we need to be honest once and for all with trytonists
Mayronn(CSR) dit : it was, once again something against development efforts.
Mayronn(CSR) dit : in this context, CSRs that went into that, created frustration.
---
Mayronn(CSR) dit : xiom relax with trytonistes
Mayronn(CSR) dit : the nation-based PvP was not implemented.
Mayronn(CSR) dit : then Tryton, I won't wait for this to pop
Mayronn(CSR) dit : you are disappointed, me too.
Mayronn(CSR) dit : that's the way it is.
---
Mayronn(CSR) dit : don't try to see what was promised and missing, but what we can do.

It is also mentioned that several references to Elias Tryton and Trytonism have been removed (e.g. Lore paragraphs that were signed by Elias Tryton). Further explanations seem to imply that Trytonism was introduced in Episode 2, but somehow not satisfactorily, and that some Trytonist events were results of CSRs a bit "on the edge".

This thread shocks "two-fold" first, its content in itself, regarding Trytonism (neutrality?), and the fact that it seems a pretty-important "official" communication, part of what one would expect from Gameforge regarding the incoming evolution of the game. Is this official? Is this true? Where is "Ryzom powered by Gameforge " headed? I was assuming that GF needed some time to think about things and officially communicate, but I'm a bit surprised.


Comments?

[philu]

I always saw Trytonism as a bit of a bodged quick fix during EP2 when they realised they had forgotten the neutrals. The whole "fight for both sides" 'RP' message was just BS.

Maybe they begin to realise that and have decided to phase the whole thing out. Would explain why Elias disapeared into the PR. Maybe he'll never be seen again....? Maybe we'll see a PROPER implementatio of neutrality within the game mechanics, rather than an RP bodge?

[sprite]

*waits with interest*

(Doesn't surprise me tho)

[iphdrunk]

I always saw Trytonism as a bit of a bodged quick fix during EP2 when they realised they had forgotten the neutrals. The whole "fight for both sides" 'RP' message was just BS

While I agree that the official role to be played by neutrals/trytonists during EP2 was lame" (in a so called call for balance between powers goal :confused I would say that Trytonism in itself goes beyond their role in EP2. To many, Trytonism can be seen as hominism, opposed to Kami and Karavan factions. I think trytonism has an important role in Atys. That EP2 was a bit a (reasonable) "slip" from the event managers to account for neutrality during EP2... but I would not go that far to state that trytonism is to be removed (options=richness).

There are still references to Elias Tryton (flanagan files, Karavan high powers IIRC). And I hope they won't simply wipe Tryton off ("ups, gone poof on PR, forget about him, will you")

Looking past the fact that I play as a factioned player, it saddens me if this is actually true. The race-based conflict removed in favor in of a K/K one (lack of population , race unbalance, more complex natio-based PvP system, etc.), neutrality delegated to a pure RP option and background supporting Trytonism / hominism removed?

Maybe this is paranoia and we have no reason to worry, it simply is postponed, as, as.... as Jena arrival or spires, right?

[mithur]

Well, at least it appears that they've made a wink to the influence of rangers in the last new about Silan. I have the feeling that GF will try make it better for neutrals, but is only a feeling. After all, GF is good in marketing (They say that, not me, but I agree), so a niche for the "non aligned" is needed in the game. Moreover, there are a big neutral poblation that could be cared better in that way.

Maybe Tryton, "as is" is ended; I don't know a lot abut Tryton, but I don't like it either. I think that a neutral group (*not* faction, but group) could be best suited centering it in a group like rangers than in a semi-deity like Tryton. There are two deitys up now; I don't think that a third could do any good.

I think that the "homisim" centered in a group like rangers could be more suitable and aceptable than centered in one figure like Tryton. If that's trhe approach, I like it.

Muy character, BTW, is Karavan, because he believes in the objectives of the Karavan, but not specially Jena-Believer. Is some kind of agnostic. So, while he will not follow a man like Tryton, if the Rangers as a group are development, maybe he will think about it.

[shadowweb]

Events, as we all know, may run differently on different servers, and what may be true for Aniro might have no relevance for the EE servers.

I can assure you that nowhere has the name of Elias Tryton been specifically removed from the lore, and that this is not the way in which we work.

The Trytonists are currently in the deep roots; what has become of them there is a matter of pure speculation.

Watch this space….

[iphdrunk]

Events, as we all know, may run differently on different servers, and what may be true for Aniro might have no relevance for the EE servers.
I can assure you that nowhere has the name of Elias Tryton been specifically removed from the lore, and that this is not the way in which we work.

The Trytonists are currently in the deep roots; what has become of them there is a matter of pure speculation.

Watch this space….

Thanks for the clarification Personally I was worried because even if events are different in all shards, there seemed to be a "common" shared storyline, a "backbone".

EDIT: [links removed as unofficial sites are not relevant, as per Ravna's post]

[keithlan]

Yeah, don't worry, this just happens on Aniro, which also happens to be the larger Ryzom community, according to Phelan :

[...]
France is one of our biggest communities (not only at ryzom but also at our Browsergames), so we have no intention at all to neglect you.

Really, nothing to worry about...

[iphdrunk]

Yeah, don't worry, this just happens on Aniro, which also happens to be the larger Ryzom community, according to Phelan :
Really, nothing to worry about...

No need to dramatize on this but let me explain. When I said "don't worry" a few things were implied: first and foremost, it will not happen in Arispotle which, for good or bad, it's my shard, so what happens there affects me and interests me most. So in this sense, yes "no worries" meaning "oh good it will not happen".

Second, more subtle point: the tone of Aniro's thread seemed to imply (maybe I got it all wrong) that this was a "policy" coming from an "official" source (Nevrax/Gameforce/Jolt) (be Event Manager or e.g. as if Ravna had decided so). One of the arguments was that "you cannot go against development efforts". The fact that this is not the case for all shards (at least it is not the case in Arispotle as Shads stated) means that the argument does not apply, and that someone, at the head of Events *in Aniro* decided the removal of Trytonists. Aniro players should raise the issue towards their event manager and it is up to Aniro community to solve this, if it needs to be solved.

In short: the decision of not taking into account Trytonism would be local to Aniro community, justifying this decision in terms of "not in the official saga" or "against the devs efforts/wills" is a bit hard to believe.

Do you need to worry? yes, I expressed myself badly... Yes, in Aniro, specially if you consider Trytonism as a rich alternative, but the fact that it is not a general Ryzom lore change suggests that the reasons motivating this are not clear.

[Ravna]

Hi all,
Just to clarifiy this very quickly: Neither on Arispotle nor on Aniro has Tryton been deleted from the storyline. As stated in Shads post he is still in the Prime Roots. Whatever else might be discussed in the French forums is based on a missunderstanding.
Beside that we are not responsible for french fansites and the content of their articles as stated in your link Anissa.
Ravna