why i created "karavan haters"

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why i created "karavan haters"

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well i am unable to log on anymore because my sub ran out, and mabey i'll renew in a couple months, but i'm not sure yet.
I made the karavan haters guild and declared on 3 karavan outposts as a test to see what would happen, and mind you i did so without anyone else IG knowing about it, not even my guild who i love all the members of.
I'm not even sure myself what i was testing, mabey i just wanted to see what would become of it and cause a little excitement in my last days on atys, and it seems to have caused a lot more than i expected. I don't appologize for what i did and i don't feel the least bit bad about it. Infact i think it really opened the door to a lot of discussion and arguing about how these alliances and OP and false declarations and how some homins are "2nd class" players for not being involved in a huge aliance are going to be handled by the community in the future.

I started playing 14 months ago and have explored every corner of Atys, met countless homins, killed nearly every beast there is to kill, still i love the game, the living planet, the story, the people, and yes even the war going on. The things though that are making the game not as much fun anymore though is the fact that we were given new content IG, but the powers that be hold very little control over it...it was put IG and the players hold the power to shape and change what we were given. Thats what opened the door to all the greed and problems that so many of you are complaining about in these forums. The first problems i saw were when the OP's first came out, it was a mad rush to get IG after the patch to get your OP...and whoever got to one first felt it was their property forever. That was fine and to be expected. The problem was the bad feelings for those who didn't get there in time, thus getting no OP. That lead to alliances popping up and false declarations being made to protect the OPs from attack. Again bad feelings to those who didn't have an OP...it seemed there was no way for a guild with no OP to get one. Then they fixed the false declaration problem as it pertained to protection against real attacks. Then the alliances started getting bigger in order to protect an OP through shear numbers, and they really got divided along faction lines. soon the biggest guild on the Kami side left the game, leaving the huge alliance on the karavan side to dominate and they instead of using their numbers for defence, used them to take a Kami alligned OP for one of their own.
Thats when things started going downhill in the community IMO. Kami's complained they were outnumbered and felt "cornered", Karas complained the Kamis were whining..as players started getting into PvP and Kamis were looking for Kara tagged players to kill, the Kara started complaining that we were bringing fights to places they didn't like and they would start using their numbers to punish guilds of players fighting in Yrk by taking their OP ifthey wanted to. That all lead up to just a few days ago, when AP's OP was challenged and in the heated discusions about that, the karavan alliance stated that they were tired of Kami complainers and would start systematiclly taking their OP's.

Well enough of the history as seen by me. With all that i said going on, I thought what the hell, lets see what would happen if someone went and declared attacks on 3 big KA OPs at close to the same time as they were going to attack AP's. I would have done so under my own guild name except my guild had nothing to do with what i was thinking and they help out so many new players i didn't want a huge number of players bullying them for my actions, so the best name i could think of to really get things heated up was karavan haters :)

So what happened was i really pissed off this karavan alliance and they decided that since they didn't know who it was they would just start to kick ass and take names later..target anyone not involved in their group as enemies and show themselves as the elite group on Atys. congratulations guys you are the best. so now what? you can beat anyone else in battle now, you can take any OP you want...where does that leave everyone else? its what created the "second class player" the one who has to plead for a trade from the all powerful around just to get a glimps of the new content IG. and forget about building a guild up strong enough to be a challenge to a current OP holder..with the series of events that followed the release of OPs not only is it wrong to attack an OP, its impossible due to the alliances formed in the wake of them.

well i could probably go on for hours here as i just mainly read the forums and never give my input to them( i think i posted 3 times in the past), but i just thought i'd come out and tell everyone who I am and give a little backround of why i did what i did(although it does make a good mystery of my identity ;) ) I stirred the pot here...I hope everyone learned a little bit from my fake attacks and really think about the direction some players are taking this game..it would be a shame to see this community go downhill anymore than it already has. And remember its not up to the Devs or GMs to fix the OP and alliance problems, its the players..don't let greed and power get in the way of playing this wonderful game..share the wealth a little and get the community back together ..who knows, happy homins just might piss the kitin off enough to give everyone something to fight for.

probably one of the most hated homins on atys now,

Brock, former and hopefully future HO of Riders on the Storm
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And remember its not up to the Devs or GMs to fix the OP and alliance problems, its the players..don't let greed and power get in the way of playing this wonderful game..share the wealth a little and get the community back together ..who knows, happy homins just might piss the kitin off enough to give everyone something to fight for.
I agree. If you (general, not personal) don't like the greed and hostility in the game, start fixing it yourself by ceasing to be greedy and hostile.
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Lol Brock you certainly stirred it up Suckaa!
Only 1 OP fell to the Kara onslaught.. a big one and im sure it will be dicussed at length in other threads.
I hope thet you will be back with us soon..
When all this faction busssiness started .. the kara allready had bigger numbers afaik.. which seems mad to me that the devs would put somthing like that in place.. (surely they must have know this)
Now, seeing as the devs are exerting no control whatsoever over balance and the outcomes of the war, it is left up to we the homins to shape the future of atys for the better..
I really thought at the beggining of it all, with the wonderful community that this game has that people would be happy with having their own OP's in thier own lands.. alas.. not so, and greed has reared its ugly head.. and the knock on snowball effect is with us now.
some of the pvp I have been involved in recently has been sooo much fun.. despite the numbers game.. and people on both sides have for the most part taken it in good spirit.. (lol i had to laugh at some of the homins including myself apologising to the corpses of thier freinds who just happened to be fighting for the opposite faction last night.. "lol sorry bout that [will remain namless] mate"... reply : "hahha that was you was it??")

I hope to ma-duk that this will all balance out for the good of everyone..

I just cant help drooling over the prospect of having evenly matched battles where everything is balanced on a knife edge..

Can anyone else imagine how much fun that would be? and how much more fun we would all be having?
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katriell wrote:I agree. If you (general, not personal) don't like the greed and hostility in the game, start fixing it yourself by ceasing to be greedy and hostile.
I think Brocks point here was to make an experiment.. the attacks were never going to suceed and there is no greed involved as he knew full well the fact. so in eccence he was being neither greedy or hostile.. just a little Cheeky and a bit mad lol.. :D
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xeraphim wrote:I think Brocks point here was to make an experiment.. the attacks were never going to suceed and there is no greed involved as he knew full well the fact. so in eccence he was being neither greedy or hostile.. just a little Cheeky and a bit mad lol.. :D
XD I know, that's why I said "general, not personal"...meant to address players in general.
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katriell wrote:XD I know, that's why I said "general, not personal"...meant to address players in general.
Ahhh got ya! :P
Now we're tuned into the same station! :D
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xeraphim wrote:I think Brocks point here was to make an experiment.. the attacks were never going to suceed and there is no greed involved as he knew full well the fact. so in eccence he was being neither greedy or hostile.. just a little Cheeky and a bit mad lol.. :D
You have such a way with words my man :D hopefully i'll be back when RL pemits it...loving the new job though..just too much damn responsability and not enough game time :p

Anyhow was a fun experiment (for me at least) and i hope everyone learned a little something about eachother with it

Brock
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I really respect the fact that you have come now and told us who you are and why you did it. Thanks, Brock.

Although you may have set the pot on the stove, you had a lot of "help" stirring it. And yes, the snowball effect was unbelieveable. I learned a lot not only on Friday, but also in reading posts here and on another forum.

What I *do* with what I've learned, I'm not sure yet. There are so many things about this game that I truely love, but lately there is a lot going on that I don't like. Pvp always seems to bring out the worst in the majority of those that "live" for it. (notice I said 'majority' ...not 'all', folks)

Thanks again for your honesty, Brock. You certainly have no hate coming from me.
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xeraphim wrote:I just cant help drooling over the prospect of having evenly matched battles where everything is balanced on a knife edge..
why not just use /random command and highest score gets the prize ?

balance leads to tie.

btw, if it is gonna be GvG only, then they better dump guards as they bring inbalance ;-)
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