Crystal and guild starter packs

[rheda]

Now that i've been playing Ryzom for a month or so, i've noticed it is a big enough world and system to be played in many different ways. The fact, is that when i first joined the game, i was offered to enter a guild and i accepted, meaning this that i got fully equipped and a good stock of exp catalysers and drappers.
I didn't enjoy leveling that fast, with not much ambition in raising neither foraging not crafting, just because guild starter packs render those skills useless.

That's why i decided to return my eq and crystals, and i've even decided not to buy anything except mats from shops to radicalize my posture. I'm now fully self-crafted, after wandering around barely naked for a time, but proud of my handicaps.

I think that is a great unbalance, making first and second class characters, the same way there are first and second class guilds (crystal ops and no crystal ops). And at the same time, crystals mean quick exp, so more player power, specially when taking newcomes into account. This would be a very unstable feedback system. It is not the same thing when we think about honour-points bought crystals, as it can be considered a reward for some RP action, and anyway it is something finite, not like the constant drill crystal stream.

Excuse me for posting again about the same thing (as i've been told this has already been discused), but wanted to see if anyone shared my opinions.

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Biestable - Self built, handicapped, and proud of it.

[dhuberma]

I disagree. I have never used an xp crystal on Eppy, and I'm a complete newbie. I don't feel disempowered or disenfranchised from others.

Each player in SoR is presented with myriad ways to play the game. "Hurray!" to those who use xp crystals and find it fun. To each player, their own.

Best regards,

[kuroari]

Hey, you have a point - but honestly i think thats why we have noob island. - i got off noob island with every skill at 20 (i knew what i was doing) this way i was able to craft my own armor for a few weeks, until i ran into the real world with the most friendly people.

however even when joining a guild - i wasnt allowed into the guild's 'secret stash' or even their help in ALL things (though i was helped immensly by some.. but that was purely OOC ) until i proved myself to the guild. i had to prove i could fight, heal, and forage before they even let me in - so to say that this was unbalanced is FAR off. i was given the tools i needed to complete my training, and soon as i proved myself, i was welcomed as one of the guild.

just because some guilds give you whatver whenever, doesnt mean thats how you need to do it. you cant really blame 'lack of ambition' on the items you do or dont have. you should use those items that you DO have to get those that you DONT (i.e you have a full set of HA and a nice sharp pointy thing, you run around and stab other fleshy beasts and take out their insides and happily carry them to a shocked stableboy for dapper which you then use to purchase those items you need, and work on the skills you havnet worked on)

- i feel your actually running on much the same path i'm runing on, just you took it your way i took it mine. i'm trying to get ALL my skills over 100, before i continue working on my highest skill (only lvl 146) - if i have to have one skill higher than the other to use as a crutch, (more hp, knowledge, skill.. watever) then so be it.

[andypur1]

Well Zok only uses his exp crystals for improving 'secondary' skills. So he digs desert without using the crystals, but will use them when digging jungle. He will craft pendants without, but all the other jewels with (sometimes).

I think of it as using knowledge gained in one skill to advance another related skill.

[katriell]

Jelathnia spends more time giving crystals away than using them. Her items are all bought or guild-crafted.

Jaimokai is self-crafted and doesn't use crystals, she uses her own sword etc.

Having so many alts, I know what it's like in both sides. And I don't mind levelling without crystals at all. I've tried other games where there is only one or two skills with only, say, 100 levels, and the levelling is far slower and more difficult (in one, I stopped being able to level at all at level 5, whereas in Ryzom I can make level 20 in an hour or two without crystals). So with those experiences in mind, and the fact I don't intentionally level my main (only to train with guildies, forage, or craft), "the grind" in Ryzom is nonexistant for me.

[rheda]

Of course everyone has to follow his own way, i never meant to say the contrary! On the other hand, if i've choosen such path is because I enjoy it a lot more, as i think it's difficulty which make this game fun, but that, fo course is just an opinion.

And i didn't either say that all the guilds do this, but you must agree with me when I say there are many guilds that are offering such help for free to newbies just to make guilds populated and stronger. And I cant's see the point on that.
Personally, I think a guild should be far mroe than just that, and yes, i know very good guilds that even have "access trials" for newcommers which i think it's the best roleplaying feature a guild can have.

[myseren]

That's why i decided to return my eq and crystals, and i've even decided not to buy anything except mats from shops to radicalize my posture. I'm now fully self-crafted, after wandering around barely naked for a time, but proud of my handicaps.
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Biestable - Self built, handicapped, and proud of it.

good on ya, I remember the fun when getting decent equipment was an achievement, and tbh it was a lot more fun than having everything handed out on a (supreme) plate

[xeraphim]

I definately get what you're saying..
However all my core skills were at around 90 when the OP's and xstals came in... our op produces lvl 100 xstals so i took advantage of them untill i hit 100 .. just some dig and craft as far as i remember.. (ohh and a bit of ranged but we all know what a pain to lvl that can be) but i felt assured that i had done a bloody hard grind and felt comfortable with a little help those last 10 lvls..
Now i seldom see crystals over 100 and if i do get some i use them sparingly as a little treat.. this i believe is how it should be...
Easy to say if you dont have a 250 op.. I expect i'd be munching them like bloody cornflakes if i did ...rofl
we all play differently thast what makes this game special..
when you meet a player that really impacts you or impresses you then you tend to take on a little of the way they play, so if you want to be a lvl 250 uber toon in 3 months flat and not leave the house and thats what impresses you then cool go for it .. for me I would rather become a part of the community and help my guild and others as much as possible.. generally making atys a nice place to be when i'm in the vicinity.. I hope.
we'll that was a bit of a rant wasn't it?

I just hope that everyone finds a way of playing that they enjoy the most..

Peace , love and all that stuff

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[kyesmith]

Xeraphim contact me in game im sure MoV can give u some crystals we are currently sorting out which guild the HoP outpost should go to, but we are doing our best to give what we can, were not a massive guild so will be sharing as much as possible, i will be online tonight and dont see a reason why we cant give you some Q150 or 250 crystals

[xeraphim]

Xeraphim contact me in game im sure MoV can give u some crystals we are currently sorting out which guild the HoP outpost should go to, but we are doing our best to give what we can, were not a massive guild so will be sharing as much as possible, i will be online tonight and dont see a reason why we cant give you some Q150 or 250 crystals

Will do mate..
Thankyou for your kind offer.
I'm sure that we can provide xstals at lvl 100 for the newer players..
Will speeak to you later

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