About the Samsara, Ryzom and my goodbye.

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yahangir
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About the Samsara, Ryzom and my goodbye.

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Dear reader,


One more in a list of goodbye posts. I felt it would be unfair to leave without giving up any reason for my decision and at least those that care will know through this thread.

I have had the pleasure of playing a wide variety of mmorpgs before Ryzom ranging from Ultima Online to World of Warcraft without having been involved in any significant problems with any gamemaster, guildmaster, guild or individual.

Since right after my trial period, I have been part of The Samsara on the Arispotle server. I invested my time into this guild and my first impressions were the same as all that this game is known for, namely a friendly mature community. I was helped out with starting equipment and I assisted where I could with careplanning, healing and settling the occasional argument between two team members.

1* In the single conversation I had with Kostika we agreed to a As long as you are honest, I’m honest policy and I was assured that oppinions were valued even when they conflicted with the guild leadership. We also agreed that problems we had with a person would be taken up with that person first before leaving it to the guild’s discretion to solve this.

I’m willing to challenge Kostika to say I’m wrong about this statement.

For this duration I grew slowly closer to the guild and more particularly to those members that were online during my hours, with whom I had the pleasure to face all kinds of npc vermin. Sometimes our oppinions about particular subjects both ingame as well as out of game were different, but none of us were so small minded to be upset about it, it’s merely a game.

I’m willing to challenge anyone who I regularly teamed up with to say I’m wrong about this statement.

After approximately one month christmas approached and as for so many, it was a busy period in which my ingame time was considerably reduced. After Newyear I regrouped with my guildmembers and we continued our treks across the Fyrosian Dunes in our ongoing quest for xp and cut off animal parts. There was precious little contact with Kostika or any of the high officers other then Mioette, with whom I shared a considerable amount of time without any conflict or grievances between us.

I’m willing to challenge Mioette to say I’m wrong about this statement.

Strangely enough when I was contacted by Kostika with the message that I didn’t mesh with the guild it came as a complete surprise to me. There had not been any trouble between me or any other guildmember that I was made aware of.. In her own words she had decided my removal together with her high officers and when I asked a more precise explanation of why this was done to me after 2 months of dedication I was subtly shut up with the words that I had 2 minutes to say my goodbyes on the guildchat channel.

I’m willing to challenge Kostika to say that I’m wrong about this statement.

As I was told in 1* that in case of a problem concerning me it would be brought to my attention first (a promise of Kostika to yours truly) I was all the more surprised by the sudden lack of dedication to this promise.

The people with whom I had the least of contact within the guild had apparently behind my back and the back of the majority of the guild made the decision that my investment was not appreciated and that I had to be removed together with 2 others who’s names I was not allowed to know. (this decision about the other 2 might have been suspended in the light of this mess) Additionally it had turned out that not all High Officers’ oppinions were asked as Mioette, the only of the High Officers with whom I had regular contact, was left out of the decision making. Despite Mioette’s regular Login Hours this issue was deemed too important to waste any time on.

I know that Mioette will confirm this. And I challenge Kostika to say that I’m wrong about this statement.

In addition to this, it was deemed necessary to write a short explanation in a closed thread on the private parts of the Samsara Guild Forums. I was apparently not allowed to read this post as they had made sure that I could no longer login to it. When I acquired this thread through the efforts of friendly guildmembers I could easily read why I was not allowed to see this.
Kostika wrote: . I won't go into the details of why we thought this, but please trust me that there was alot of evidence, some of it rather disturbing.
The lack of details seems to be towards all involved parties. Neither me nor the guildmembers were allowed to know what had caused this decision. The addition of disturbing to the sentence was merely a cheap way of slandering my reputation. I have never kept any secrets and none of the things I have done are to be ashamed about. The fact that Kostika feels the need to keep it a secret is, as such, beyond me.

When I tried to explain my situation to curious ex-guildmembers I was told in a conversation that Mioette had arranged with Jyudas (=GrimJim)
GrimJim wrote: I would appreciate it if you wouldn't harass guild members about the issue
Why was I never informed about this alleged harassment? Why have the gamemasters not been involved in this matter?

Ryzom’s community isn’t so much different from other games. PvP will even the odds, but bad apples exist in all games. If I really have to deal with them however, I rather have a game where the bad apples are obvious about it.

After more then a month of negotiations with the Samsara and recollecting the shattered pieces of my character, I no longer feel the strenght to look for another guild to call my own. There is always a risk of ending up in a bad guild when it comes down to mmorpgs and perhaps I have been too naïve in regards to Ryzom’s community. My time is too precious.

Best of luck to those that are honestly straightforward. Put your heart into your actions.
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Since you seem very interested in honestness and openness, I will tell you the very first thought that came to my mind after reading through your entire post. It comes off as very aggressive and very self-assured. If the post belies your personality in-game, I can certainly see where others might have had a problem with what they perceive as 'your attitude'.

For the record, I don't know you and I don't know anything about The Samsara. I wish you the best of luck in your future gaming endeavors.

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I have no reponse for this. Conversations are have already been had both between us and between me and my HOs. I'm not going to argue about this here as I have nothing additional to say on the subject.

Enjoy your gaming life.
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Many people leave guilds for many reasons, their own or the guilds.

Please do not quit Ryzom, just because you had a fight with your guild, that is a defeatist attitude, are you going to quit all MMORPG's because of your experience with one guild?

I think you should stay in Ryzom and stay in touch with any friends you have either in Samsara, or in other guilds, continue to play the game, develop your character, you will soon find another guild more suited to your goals... jeez in Ryzom, its hard NOT to find someone to hang out with :)

I used to be in Samsara, but left because my goals differed from theirs, I met new friends and pursued my game with renewed vigour. I still consider the people I know in Samsara to be my friends.

Theres a guy called (jeez I can never spell his name correctly, but it's his fault for having such a crazy name :p ), Ravenhazadoom (I think, but I'm sure you have seen him around), His guild specialise in helping newer players develop their skills and choose appropriate guilds, His guild is called Emperors Fist.

Bottom line....dont quit for such a small reason (It might not feel small to you now, but after the dust has settled and you get a bit more perspective on it, it will seem like small potatoes).

Good Luck with your choice and I hope you decide to stay on :)

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Met you a coupla times Merm, I wish you good luck in the future :)
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Hey, I can only agree with fiach.

Please don´t leave Ryzom just because you had a fight with some people.
I don´t know any of you guys from IG experience ´cause I´m from Leaonon, but I´ve had to leave my old guild behind a few short month ago and I´m still here.
At first some people were pretty angry at me and I was angry at them, but we simply sat together (in TS) and talked about it.
Now we´re still friends and help each other out as if I´m still a member of their guild.
My reasons for "quitting on them" were completely my own and had nothing to do with them as persons. So we´re still on good terms.
Although I created my own guild since then, but they´re as helpfull as ever. :)

All because we had a simple real talk about things.
Forums and chats can be very confusing and missunderstandings are frequent, so consider talking (TS) to your former Guildmates and I hope that you will be as glad that you did this as I am right now.

Best of Luck

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acridiel wrote:I don´t know any of you guys from IG experience ´cause I´m from Leaonon, but I´ve had to leave my old guild behind a few short month ago and I´m still here.
Ok i have quoted this but ill come to it at the end of my post...

It is clear merm that you are hurt by what has happened. Clearly most of us cant comment on what has happened because we all know there are two sides to every coin. Your story does sound painful and I know how it feels when things like that happen, yet i have known the Samsara core members for a while now and they have their experience in running a successful guild.

I remember when i left my first guild, i was very very upset yet i found my way forward and carried on.

Quitting the game over this is a little major tho. Im sure sure that the pain will last for a week, maybe 2, but u will find your feet again! There are people out there that will be happy to hang out with you should you wish.


Ok back to my quotation... I dunno about everyone else but i have grown used to acridiel posting on our forums. It is a shame that he isn't in our community and i was wondering if he would consider making another account for the ari community? would be really cool :D
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Good luck and find something nice again.

alibasil wrote: Ok back to my quotation... I dunno about everyone else but i have grown used to acridiel posting on our forums. It is a shame that he isn't in our community and i was wondering if he would consider making another account for the ari community? would be really cool :D
If I could understand french and write German in an coherent way I would probably haunt there boards aswell. Just because I can!
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alibasil wrote: Ok back to my quotation... I dunno about everyone else but i have grown used to acridiel posting on our forums. It is a shame that he isn't in our community and i was wondering if he would consider making another account for the ari community? would be really cool :D
*blush* theeeeeheee.... :p

Aw, well be sure that there are some who wish I did, for different reasons though :D *cough,cough,g*
But actually I admit to having considered this option. Though lately I got a new Job and my time INGame is fairly limited now. :(
I´m able to post here from work, but I don´t think my Boss will let me Game. ;)
*hides*

@topic again:
It´s a shame about every homin we loose to whatever circumstances there are, on wichever server he/she was on. I consider the SoR Community a BIG fammily with members from all over the World. (And if I could speak french I´d be reading and babbling in their Forums too.)
So I´m just trying to keep our family together, because even IF we atm register a slight increase in Newbes, we need every Player we can hold on to, to keep the Familiy-Business, namely SoR, running ;)
I´m not with Nevrax or somesuch, I´m just a friggin Fanboy who loves the Game, the people involved and everything around it. ;)
So I may beg you to reconsider Yahangir.
As we say in german: "Nichts wird so heiß gegessen wie es gekocht wird."
= Nothing is eaten as hot as it is cooked.
Meaning, let things cool down before taking action. ;)

CU
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