Major complaint, Guild Hall

[zumwalt]

Although you increased the BULK from 2000 to 10,000, the SLOTS remained the same, our bulk is at 2073, but all slots are full, so we have 7,927 bulk remaining but no SLOTS to put anything in.

Since armor / weapons / jewels, the ACTUAL things we store in guild hall, do not STACK, the BULK doesn't matter if the SLOTS are not increased.

Is there a way to increase the slots by the 5 multiplier that you did for the bulk to compensate for this?

[vguerin]

Clear out the junk holding one slot man... The improvements are great... Granted "jewelry" takes up too much space but otherwise your HO's just need to monitor whats in there. All guilds have junk they need to clear out... we do it diligently and still find it full at times... grind, grind, grind. Problem solved...

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[jackmor]

Clear out the junk holding one slot man... The improvements are great... Granted "jewelry" takes up too much space but otherwise your HO's just need to monitor whats in there. All guilds have junk they need to clear out... we do it diligently and still find it full at times... grind, grind, grind. Problem solved...

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Noooo Hes right the slots should be more if the bulk is higher. It just makes sence.

[jinari]

Just had Meestor play around a bunch with it. We seem to be ok now, but will keep an eye on it. I have not played around enough to see if the slots have increased or not, but think that they should (If they haven't).

Since we never had much room before the patch, we do keep a close eye on it to make sure there is not extra stuff in it. (Old habits.. hehe)

[jivalax]

I would be ok if we could buy more space. We have a kind of large guild, and keeping only a single set of heavy armor at each major q and a couple light armor high q and the weapons and amps and jewlery to go with it and you are full.

If you are lucky enough to have only 5 in your guild, then the hall is just a big packer, but if you have many, it is hard to address the needs of the members without taking up most slots with jewlery alone. As an example, when we hunt as a guild, we might burn as many as 10 full sets of jewlery in a night. That is 100 slots of jewlery. We could do that every night.

We have our packers for keeping mats, apartments for personal stuff (like event swords) but the guild hall should be where we can store the things other members acrtually need. The extra capacity is great, but if we don't have the slots the bulk does us no good.

[zumwalt]

Last night when I capped it, I had put 1 full set of Q70 - Q100 armor in, that alone is 25 slots, normally we try to keep 2 sets of armor in there from Q50 to QXXX

This is duplicated in Weapons, we try to keep 2 of each type, from Q50 to QXXX

As a High Officer, I do keep tabs on guild inventory, and daily have to get items out for the guild and craft more items to make up for the items removed.

We do NOT allow AMMO to be stored in guild hall, we also do not allow sap crystals or crystalized spells to be stored, nor do we allow mats to be stored there.

Jewelry is stored in complete sets also, usually no more than 2 full sets of each Q also, and only the higest sets we can make are stored in there, or a range, but the range is always over Q100.

This is common, and the amount of items we have in there now, equal the number of items we were able to store in there prior to the bulk increase, with the exception of the 73 bulk over, this allowed us to fill the slots with bulkier items.

Freeing up 1 slot = nothing gained, that same slot will be used for the same type of item it was before, a non-stackable item.

IF the guild hall was used for nothing but harvested materials, then we would be in business, that is ALOT of slots for crafting items in general even without the bulk increase.

Imagine if you will, a storage company with so many storage sheds, lets just say 100 storage sheds at 2x2 in size, these are made out of sheet metal, sitting on top of a very weak ground.

Because of there makeup they can't hold any items bulkier than a 2x2 in size, wether its a single item, or 99 items that stack, and the ground is not strong enough to hold heavy bulk, so you might not be able to use all 100 storage units.

They call you up on the phone and say, we are tearing it down and building 100 fire brick, solid stainless steel, insulated, climate controled, 2x2 storage units for you to use, that is sitting on top of rock solid granit ground.

You now can store heavier items, but you still only have the 100 2x2 storage slots, but your weight you can now store in them went from 1/4 ton a storage unit to 1 and 1/4 ton per unit, so you increased the bulk, but you are just the same as you were before, 100 storage slots.

What good does this do you?

Maybe that analogy will help you in understanding how a 150+ member guild would need the slots.

[vguerin]

I still say it is poor management on behalf of the High Officers and Leader which can move inventory at will. We have plenty of gear in our GH and manage many mats in and out daily that get from our harvesters and hunters into the crafters/grinders hands. I wont say we have not filled it, and had to send someone in for management, but it is something we actively try to manage.

We typically announce a trip to the GH to pull gear out that anyone needs, as well as to move mats out and to the proper crafters.

Our guild hall has plenty of gear, as well as room left...
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[zumwalt]

Again, doubltap, i am not talking about BULK, we have just as much open bulk as you do.

The BULK is useless.

If you fill all your slots, your bulk will probably not go over 2100.

[jivalax]

Well DT, in your infinite wisdom please help us poor stupid leaders of Pegasus, god knows how well you have run your guild, you are making friends everywhere you go, and you never make any mistakes. Please help me understand how we can provide all we need for our noobie members when we cannot use more slots than what we used to use. Please use small words because even though we have run many realworld businesses and possess multiple degrees we must be learning impaired. Ohhh please oh mighty leader of the most powerful and popular guild in all of ryzom tell us what to do. We will follow your lead anywhere.

Now I do understand your members are powerful and high level, and most do not need new items from the guild hall every day. But we are a noob friendly guild, and as such we try to keep things that they need. I don't wear out my sword every other day, but those at level 25 will need a new one every day they play for a while. I am glad the bulkier inventory works for Melinoe, great, it does not work for us. To say we are inept because we need more slots is like saying Melinoe is composed entirely of socialy impaired losers who play the game because they can't get dates. Both are blatantly untrue.

So, lets end this personal bickering and stick to game issues. Your guild votes the bulk is fine, we vote it is not. Simple. No hard feelings on anyone part. The personal attacks are not welcomed.

[plarfman]

I have to say that this seems like a logical problem that should be addressed. There is no point in arguing about it seems pretty clear to me. Our guild is not large and we have not ran into this problem that I know of yet. An increase in "slots" is not going to hurt anything as you can still only have 10k bulk. My suggestion would be to follow the below link and add it to the wish list!

http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10351