The Kami's Zero Tolerance Policy

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Do you want the Kami Tolerance to be raised or eliminated?

The Kami Tolerance MUST be improved!
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30%
I don't care.
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25%
YES! Smite me more, I love it!
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45%
 
Total votes: 117

zippo123
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Re: The Kami's Zero Tolerance Policy

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mmatto wrote:How about organizing an expedition to scorched corridor to map out seed spots. When spot locations are known it is easier to figure out how to react some of those solo.

Such an expedition sounds like fun, bit like trekking between continents. I would be interested to join even if I am not a desert digger.

Sounds like a plan..
I tried that alone many times... havent really found a save way in and died a thousand deaths.

How about next week?
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Re: The Kami's Zero Tolerance Policy

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ozric wrote:I'm sorry, i didnt realise that i had to inform you every time i went digging in FF (whoever you are)
Well... u dont. Did i say that u should inform me?

But if you have an opinion about KT in FF and we never see u there digging it makes your opinion a bit less acceptable thats all.

(we have done 100;s of /who's the last week to figure out what changed so suddenly.)
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ozric
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Re: The Kami's Zero Tolerance Policy

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zippo123 wrote:Well... u dont. Did i say that u should inform me?

But if you have an opinion about KT in FF and we never see u there digging it makes your opinion a bit less acceptable thats all.

(we have done 100;s of /who's the last week to figure out what changed so suddenly.)
Well i do dig there, the only thing that has changed is that the people who once depleted Dyron to death have now moved to FF.

As i stated previously, the KT is fine. As i type, i am standing over 8 amber sources, with FULL kami bars, in the middle of FF. If you cant be bothered to move around a little, you can hardly complain about tolerance levels. There are also FULL kami-bar seed sources about if you look for them.

My "opinion" is no more or less "acceptable" than yours.
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Re: The Kami's Zero Tolerance Policy

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[QUOTE=alibasil]Kami tolerance is only going to be low in certain over-harvested spots. Unless its the case that everywhere in the fyros 250 zones is being over-harvested with people blowing up sources too.
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This is NOT the case in the western half of Flaming Forest, and importantly, it is not possible to generalise from one region to another as there is no problem in the eastern half of Flaming Forest, and including when there are more ppl digging in the east than in the west - all tolerances are very far from equal, even within the same geographical area.

For the past week, diggers in the western section have found tolerance at less than 15% regardless of not only time of day, but number of diggers. I have monitored, and also screenshotted, the western section for 8 hrs during which period there were at most 2 diggers, with neither using a cp. Two diggers drop tolerance to 0 in about one pack of mats, so unless these are the same circumstances as you regard as not a great problem in your region, please do not dismiss the very real and gamebreaking problem others of us are experiencing as our problem will not get remedied if ppl report they do not regard the problem as significant.

Similarly, we do not have option to move. The mats in the western section are not repeated in the eastern section, and the only other 250 zone has been rendered unusable by placement of aggro spawns. I am not talking dodge the zerx, cutlers and tyranchas and try not to trip as u attempt to flee the certain death a herb has just dragged onto u run of the mill hassles we all have to deal with. Choice mats - not kitin larvae, but our grind mats, are under spawns of cutler and tyrancha in the corridor. I have been there on 2 separate occasions with 250 fighters and only got dp for my attempts to address the problem this way.

So to players, and also the devs reading, please consider this issue on a region by region basis, as what is not a problem in one region, is in my opinion, a gamebreaking problem in mine. I had to stop taking low level diggers with me to help them gain experience, and now I dont even dig with my friends there - we decide whose need is the more urgent and take it turn to dig the 152 I got on my turn eg. I have 2 dear friends who have quit, the recent changes being a factor, and I am one of those who signed up on mmorpg.com to promote Ryzom because of its many wonderful design features, and we now discuss the new games which are coming out as this games gets more crafter hostile by the patch.

A GM told me I should blame diggers in other time zones if I find the game is unplayable in mine. He also told me I should blame a digger with a 2nd account cp-er. The players in other time zones are playing the game they pay a monthly fee to play. The player with cp-er is paying 2 monthly fees to be able to use the skills he spent time and effort to acquire, skills the developers wrote into the code and reward us with xp for using. I do not blame my fellow players for playing the game. I blame the developers for making the game unplayable, as did my friends who cancelled their subscriptions.
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rushin
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Re: The Kami's Zero Tolerance Policy

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about unreachable spots because of aggro: (and yes i dont dig in fyros, but i do dig in zones with a lot more aggro than your 250 area's)
These spots that are 'unreachable' have you checked them in all seasons? Have you prospected around the edge of the area's where they pop to see if there is a place u can dig that is just outside aggro range?

I say this coming from digging in wastelands, many of the spots i dig are impossible to reach 2 or 3 seasons of out 4 because of aggro but generally there is one season where they can be reached. and when i say reached that might mean i am digging 16m away from a mob that will aggro me at 15m. Also i dig in lots of places where i have to jump up halfway through a dig and move away because a mob is moving towards me.

I respectfully suggest you need to look at your definition of 'impossible'. Just because you can't sit in perfect safety and dig for hours doesnt make it impossible, it just means you have make more of an effort ;) The high level zones are designed to be more challenging than the lower ones, fyros has it easier than every other eco system at lower levels, maybe u need to shift your expectations and compare your experience to GoC/pr/etc
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nonde wrote:Similarly, we do not have option to move. The mats in the western section are not repeated in the eastern section, and the only other 250 zone has been rendered unusable by placement of aggro spawns. I am not talking dodge the zerx, cutlers and tyranchas and try not to trip as u attempt to flee the certain death a herb has just dragged onto u run of the mill hassles we all have to deal with. Choice mats - not kitin larvae, but our grind mats, are under spawns of cutler and tyrancha in the corridor. I have been there on 2 separate occasions with 250 fighters and only got dp for my attempts to address the problem this way.
I have been to the Scorched (sp?) corridor on more than one occation and have found decent, and safe, harvest spots.
They are not always easy to get to, but most can be reached with patience and sneaking (should be even easier with the new aggro follow distance as well).
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Re: The Kami's Zero Tolerance Policy

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Anyways, I like the expedition idea. Is there more wider interest in that? 2 peeps is bit too few to consider as an expedition.
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mmatto wrote:Anyways, I like the expedition idea. Is there more wider interest in that? 2 peeps is bit too few to consider as an expedition.

If I am online when you want to go - send me a tell and I will help out.

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Jessica Mulligan
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ambika wrote:She put "I Don't Care" xD
Heck, I was just trying to see the poll results while I read the forums, and tried to pick the most neutral stance. I won't be making THAT mistake again. See what happens when you don't know how something works?

By the way, can I borrow your car?

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Jessica Mulligan wrote:
By the way, can I borrow your car?

:D

No!

Well maybe, but only if you empty the ashtray first ;)

Edit - btw there is a 'View results' button which you can use without voting :eek:

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