Lousy community

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What can we do?

Poll ended at Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:11 pm

We "allow" OP attacks and let it be part of the game
53
65%
We should make some kind of schedule for OP ownership and rotate them among guilds
7
9%
Do nothing and Supernovae leaves the game.
22
27%
 
Total votes: 82

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Re: Lousy community

Post by zippo123 »

Lukati wrote:Look, your P.O.V. is perfectly clear. You're sick of the reaction when one guild attacks another.

Since OP rotation is just dumb, I'm guessing you'd prefer it that, when a guild gets attacked, they stay completely silent, and not bother you with their pesky... reaction?

Sorry, but what you're asking is unthinkable. I'll try to make my point a bit clearer then. As anyone has the right to attack anyone with an OP, the people being attacked have the right to react to that attack in any way they see fit.

Please, stop whining about people whining.

Clearly you still don't get my P.o.V.
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Re: Lousy community

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Anywayz... i am out regardless of the poll..

Maybe i'll check in once in a while to say hi.


I had fun all the time minus one week or so. (until one week ago i wouldn't have believed i could say this about the game) now I am just sad and dissapointed.

Thx for the all the good times and cya in another life.

~Supernovae
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totnkopf wrote:Its not a one sided thing. Both sides are doing it.
Morg, come on man... you slight us all with a generic statement. You know the type that use this and the type that don't... please don't group us all together... both sides are not using this, though maybe there are guilds in both cults using this tactic.

There are honorable folks on both sides, and there are the others... plain and simple.
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bgraz wrote:...You have the nerve to say that anyone wishing to utilize a function in the game that was handed out for us to share or fight over is no better than a bandit?
That's an IC stance, not a OOC one and I stand by it.

bgraz wrote:Are you telling me that if you didn't get to that OP first and you werem't able to aquire one that you would sit back and say "oh well". I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!
Actually YES!!!!!! Even without owning an OP, I can still try to trade mats or dapper for OP mats or xp crystals. Or I can ask for payment in them when I help friendly guilds defend their OPs. It wouldn't be as profitable as actually owning the OP of course, but I would still be able to get access.
bgraz wrote:And you are not relying on alliances for defence you are using an exploit.
True, and we're not proud of that. But we had a few too many late nights when we or our allies had war declared against us, but the attackers couldn't be bothered to show up and stayed in bed while we patroled up and down for 2 hours. Valid tactic or not, it feels like griefing when it's done repeatadly for no effective cost to the attacker.

bgraz wrote: GAH..still can't believe the nerve of you to compare an OP in a game with a RL home.
Are you saying that OP's arn't like property, and that the politics of them shouldn't be similar to how we treat these issues in the real world? What do you think the most accurate comparison is then? This is an mmoRPG - the roleplay aspect to OPs is implied, even if you arnt a "high" RPer. Do you think it would be good RPing to declare war on your friends because you are jealous of their OP? Of course similar things do happen in the real world - but the friends who go to war don't shake hands afterwards and congratulate each other on a good fight, they become enemies and call each other nasty names!
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Re: Lousy community

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zippo123 wrote:Anywayz... i am out regardless of the poll..

Maybe i'll check in once in a while to say hi.


I had fun all the time minus one week or so. (until one week ago i wouldn't have believed i could say this about the game) now I am just sad and dissapointed.

Thx for the all the good times and cya in another life.

~Supernovae
The Flaws in The outposts are no reason to leave the game, i wouldn't have thought.
The matter of "False Declarations" seems like such an obvious and foreseable exploit, I wonder how Nev could not have seen it priar to patching. It's also a shame that they couldn't have made all the outpost on atys available right form the start.

As far as your opinion about our little community..hmm i've been around for, coming up to 2 years mid march, and can honestly say this community is and always has been excellent. The game is Fantastic, I am so mythed that this game didn't take off commercially like WoW did.
We are a small community and some could see that as a positive thing, and others, like myself as a great thing. Im sure i'm not the only one that has a feeling of the, kind of, extended family vibe going on. It's been really humbling to see how passionate peoples arguments have been on these forums, remember this is Ryzom..its like our little baby, we shouldn't let our small dissagreements about one thing or another get the better of us like.
I freekin love this game and although DCP has had its ups and downs with people since this game went live, I can sincerely say that we don't dislike anyone.

For me personally, after such a long time, I still Eat, sleep and breath Ryzom. Its become such a huge part of my life. Its like somewhere to escape RL. Does anyone share my passion for this game???

I for one will be here till the end, and i hope that won't be for a few more years to come..

This community really makes the game what it is.

Sorry i'm not a very literary person, hope i got my point across okay. soz if its a bit ott too, just stop leaving people :P
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zippo123 wrote:Try it a 4th time.. i dont know how to make it clear..

I don't like oppressed peace?
I have the feeling that when I (with friends i hope) attack an OP in Fyros we are spit out by the (fyros) community?

I am trying to stop that and make it acceptable by everyone that OP's can be attacked and it might be fun.

Atm nothing is really happening in Fyros...

please tell me you understand my point now? :-D
Well, I get it now, and while it is sad the fyros guilds spit you out for such a thing, there's still something like free will. You cant force them to behave in a certain way or to play nice and share or something.
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*hugs final*

well said :)
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Post by xenofur »

now, i will write down what I would do, i'm not saying you should, i'm just hoping to serve as an inspiration.
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first off, i would do research, look what would actually be necessary for my guild. next i would find out where it could be gotten, and who has it. make sure i have not overlooked any possibl sellers who could have better offers. then i would engage in EARNEST haggling with those that i could find and contact.

haggling is a special game that works like this: i ask for a price for a certain item. the seller will tell mean outrageous price and embellish it with some story about his starving guild. i react with a similarly outrageously price, only at the lower end of the scale, retorting about the noobs i just got in my guild who need to be kept in gear. this is a battle of wits. he who argue best and manages to push the price as far as he can wins, but usually we end up somewhere in the middle. (i also try to be creative about what i offer, for example: man-hours(as in healers, careplanners, crafters, diggers, warriors, etc.), physical goods, military help, entertainment in the thesos bar, etc.)

now there is also the case that i am not successful and the selling offer stays outrageous. this is the point where politics get into play. i talk to other people, tell them about what could be gotten where and ask them wether they already tried to strike a deal on these things. if they repond positively i ask them what offer they have gotten.

did they get a better offer and accepted it then i try and offer them more than they spent. if they accept everything is fine, i win, they win and the op owners win. if not i have to move on and talk to other people.

if they did not get a better price i try and get them to work with me in the following venture: try to find as many people who have also gotten offers they think are inacceptible.

when i think i have enough guilds and people supporting me i write up a draft of a writing which details that i and my allies would like to enter a trade contract and as such would like to renegotiate the prices that were initially given. this would then be approved by my allies and sent to the op-owners.
if they react positive and indeed better prices can be made, everybody is happy.

if they don't or if there cannot be reached acceptible prices i would set up a writing which would actually threaten them for weakening the fyros empire by hoarding the produces of the ops, demanding they reduce their prices to an acceptable, unnegotiable level or face an attack of me and my allies.

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this would make sure that i haven taken all peaceful steps i possibly could and would also ensure me that i have considerable support from the community.

the only drawbacks: i'd have to sell the produces at a similar level to what i demanded or lose face.
currently it is possible to use a gameplay design oversight to ensure the safety of one's outposts, but that is a completely different matter and should not be of much concern after the next patch.

hope this helps or at least makes for a slightly interesting read :o

edit: please forgive any spelling errors, i am writing this on a new laptop and still need to ride the keyboard in as it tends to swallow letters.
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Re: Lousy community

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final60 wrote:The Flaws in The outposts are no reason to leave the game, i wouldn't have thought.
The matter of "False Declarations" seems like such an obvious and foreseable exploit, I wonder how Nev could not have seen it priar to patching. It's also a shame that they couldn't have made all the outpost on atys available right form the start.

As far as your opinion about our little community..hmm i've been around for, coming up to 2 years mid march, and can honestly say this community is and always has been excellent. The game is Fantastic, I am so mythed that this game didn't take off commercially like WoW did.
We are a small community and some could see that as a positive thing, and others, like myself as a great thing. Im sure i'm not the only one that has a feeling of the, kind of, extended family vibe going on. It's been really humbling to see how passionate peoples arguments have been on these forums, remember this is Ryzom..its like our little baby, we shouldn't let our small dissagreements about one thing or another get the better of us like.
I freekin love this game and although DCP has had its ups and downs with people since this game went live, I can sincerely say that we don't dislike anyone.

For me personally, after such a long time, I still Eat, sleep and breath Ryzom. Its become such a huge part of my life. Its like somewhere to escape RL. Does anyone share my passion for this game???

I for one will be here till the end, and i hope that won't be for a few more years to come..

This community really makes the game what it is.

Sorry i'm not a very literary person, hope i got my point across okay. soz if its a bit ott too, just stop leaving people :P
This is without a doubt the best post on this thread. :D

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