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Re: GO F2p (SUGGESTION)

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:28 am
by desertt
cenovis wrote:[ FACE PALM ]

!!Cash shop items are special items, separate from the items you make in the game. Your crafting will not be affected!!

UNLESS you are willing to give up your crafted items FOR the cash shop crap, THEY WILL NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUY IT.

Never, everrrrrrrrrr, in any game I've everrrrrrrrrrrrr played, do you EVER get drops or any other item that can be obtained IN GAME, in the cash shop. They are separate! Separate! S-e-p-a-r-a-t-e!

And the Ryzom.org people sound like whack-jobs, but I'll be donating to them if they can successfully win the bid.

[ END FACE PALM ]


you keep saying the same maybe in other words but it stays the same....

i know you are for the f2p idea but you have to understand that there are people that just DONT want f2p in ryzom
no matter what items are sold in the shop thingy

Re: GO F2p (SUGGESTION)

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:29 am
by dakhound
cenovis wrote:[ FACE PALM ]

!!Cash shop items are special items, separate from the items you make in the game. Your crafting will not be affected!!

UNLESS you are willing to give up your crafted items FOR the cash shop crap, THEY WILL NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUY IT.

Never, everrrrrrrrrr, in any game I've everrrrrrrrrrrrr played, do you EVER get drops or any other item that can be obtained IN GAME, in the cash shop. They are separate! Separate! S-e-p-a-r-a-t-e!

And the Ryzom.org people sound like whack-jobs, but I'll be donating to them if they can successfully win the bid.

[ END FACE PALM ]
ok, but,

no new real content that is drop only will be introduced if they can make cash from it!, sry forgot to add that.

why introduce the LA/MA npc armour when you can simply sell that armour.

why introduce new weapons when you can use it as a cash cow

why introduce anything tbh when it can go in the shop

soon anything worthwhile would be buy only.

good luck if it does go f2p, I wont be playing if it is

Re: GO F2p (SUGGESTION)

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 7:53 am
by cenovis
desertt wrote: you keep saying the same maybe in other words but it stays the same....

i know you are for the f2p idea but you have to understand that there are people that just DONT want f2p in ryzom
no matter what items are sold in the shop thingy
I keep having to repeat myself because it seems that reading comprehension is lacking in this thread. I'm not the only one who is repeating themselves. Those of you who oppose the idea aren't arguing against any of the points the supporters are making. As someone said earlier, you simply stamp your feet.
dakhound wrote: no new real content that is drop only will be introduced if they can make cash from it!, sry forgot to add that.
Have you ever played a game with a cash shop implemented? This is not true at all. Cash shop items aren't used as a substitute for content, they provide the funding for MORE content. Two examples I can name here are Rappelz and KalOnline, both of which still release new events and dungeons.
dakhound wrote:]why introduce the LA/MA npc armour when you can simply sell that armour.
Armor is never sold in cash shops. Like I keep saying, cash shop items are separate. They're things like faster mounts, special scrolls for temporary bonus increases, pets (for example: SilkRoad rents pets in their game, and after a time period they disappear back into the shop. These pets are not available in the game normally.)
dakhound wrote:] why introduce anything tbh when it can go in the shop

soon anything worthwhile would be buy only.
Because they're separate from the game and don't affect the game's normal content. Everyone here who has actually played a game with a cash shop has already explained this.

Re: GO F2p (SUGGESTION)

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 9:03 am
by friet303
I think all of you should realise there wont be a Ryzom left in 2 weeks... word on the street is that Ryzom.org is the only one really interested, as pointed out in this thread before, companys did the cost/profit anylises on Ryzom and it came out as a non profitable business for 4 years coming, then after Ryzom been thru the 4 years and has an active userbase of 200k, it could be profitable... Think about it, in 2 weeks this forums will stop to exist, this game will stop to exists.... do you guys really want to spend the last 2 weeks you have arguing about f2p or p2p? None of those two will save Ryzom at this point.

Im sorry to tell you,

Mokdarion

P.S. I still love Atys :(

Re: GO F2p (SUGGESTION)

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:35 am
by kalindra
I'm affraid to say it, but Mokdarion is probably right, being at each other's throat won't help the boat float. Only let it sink with a harder feeling. Seeing that some people, even some of my own guildies have already given up hope and would prefer to see the game definitely dead than accept some alternatives just can't help but make me more sad than the game itself dying.

On the other hand, I see some people of the French community that are really active and ready to give "Free Ryzom" its chance and contribute to it as much as they can. That gives me hope, that gives me the will to fight for the survival of Atys. If it's our last hope, why not give it a try ?

I wouldn't spend a dime myself on cash shops because I'm a broken student, but if some people do spend RL money on things that I can get for "free" with a bit of work, why should I care ? After all... time IS money, isn't it ? I don't have money but I have plenty of time, so I don't mind investing it in a project that is most likely the ONLY way to save the only game I love.

And there is NO other place such as Atys in the entire gaming world. You all know it and yet you'd prefer to let it die than maybe accepting some changes to save it ? FOOLS ! A couple l33t n00bz that we can either ignore or educate cannot possibly be worse than losing what is for most of us the only virtual world that is immersive enough to really makes us feel at home.

Let's face it : the big game companies with big money out there are too affraid by Game Forge France and Neverax failures to even considering buying the game. Too affraid to see that those failures weren't because of the game itself but because of the companies' own fatal mistakes. And because they think of dev cost before thinking of the potential income of the game as it actually is.

Ryzom.org's #1 objective is simple : buy the game rights so it can at least run as it is right now, but without the lag. Even then, people are already volunteering to work on the the code, Graphical development, sound development, on the Lore/animations, on the customer support, on the marketing/advertising and even on the potential translation of the game in other languages. Even alternative money income such as derivated IRL products were proposed. Dev cost = 0$ because done by volunteers, that's what Open Source means. The only cost will be the game hosting and maintenance of the server by a few paid employes. Of course, the implementation of new features might take some time at first because they need to clean the code so its easier for the volunteer coders to work on it, but who cares about how much time it takes if we have a Lore/event team that keeps the story going to entertain us while we wait for the new features. :eek:

"Power to the player" would become even closer to the truth. But for this, it takes players that are ready to devote their time and talent to save the home they love, if they don't have money to donate to save Ryzom, they can still contribute. If it's not to build something, then at least to test and give feedback on what is being built. An event team won't make itself on its own, French people have theirs since quite a long time because some players invested their time in it, I believe we can do the same.

For the Living Rootball's sake, it is really not the time to be close minded and spit on what might be our only chance to keep Atys alive. Being snobbish to any form of change won't bring us anything except maybe doom. Server hosting and maintenance does cost money, because Atys needs a lot of ressources to run and right now this cost can't rely on income as "unstable" as cashshops, especially considering the amount of players right now that seem majoritarly hostile to it. It would be pure suicide.

On a side note, even people at Virtual Citizenship (Free Ryzom) do not consider cash shops a reliable source of income for a game such as Ryzom, even if done in parallel with a lower monthly fee. From what I've seen, they have other priorities on what they want to develop and derivated products (T-shirts, figurines, posters and a Comic Book serie made by Psychée) or even litteral donations are considered more seriously as alternative source of income than spending some volunteer devtime on cash shops.

I know most of you don't like VCA or are highly skeptical about its chances of succeeding. Yet, I prefer seeing them trying to make Atys a better and more accessible place (with platforms that would really be compatible with Linux of Mac OSX and probably damn Vista too) slowly than a company that cares only for costs and profits and doesn't give a damn about letting their customers and/or volunteer staff really know what's happening until it's too late to do anything about it. Maybe GF France did its best but it obviously lacked many things to succeed and we all know what it was, and whatever it was, we DON'T want to see it happen again.

So either you invest yourselves and try to save your world or you don't and wait to see it die while hoping for a miracle that most probably won't happen. But don't you dare spit on the ones who try to bring ideas and alternatives, because it is a well known fact that Atys won't save itself alone ! Maybe I didn't succeed in convincing anybody to participate in the Open Ryzom project, then I would be really disappointed, but at least, unlike those people who prefer bickering to acting, I would have tried something which is still better than doing nothing while crying on the tragical end of the world.

It is not too late yet... Atys ain't dead until its death.

Re: GO F2p (SUGGESTION)

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:14 pm
by dakhound
:D shame the retard.org project amounts to

you donate and buy the open source rights
we host it and charge you for it
you can host it *if* you had the hardware but its unlikely
you can dev volenteer for it but we still reap in the cash from hosting it

tell ya what, all donate 400k to me and I'll get the rights and some kit, I'll host it and charge you for my hard work. If I'm really nice I'll let you work as a dev (unpaid ofc)

(btw I played silkroad.................full of farmers and was dire, only dark and light surpassed that game in the dire stakes.)

goodbye ryzom, hope you dont go either way

Re: GO F2p (SUGGESTION)

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:30 pm
by kalindra
Thanks, I was sad but still hopeful, now I am sad and I feel sick.

EDIT : At least, not everybody has such a sarcastic and despiseful attitude and there are hopefully still some homins that would make the effort worth it. The other ones that would prefer to see Atys die, I won't feel sorry if some of them don't come back when the game survives.

It is not the harsh words of close-minded homins that will stop me. I am much stronger than that.

Re: GO F2p (SUGGESTION)

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 12:49 pm
by dakhound
kalindra wrote:Thanks, I was sad but still hopeful, now I am sad and I feel sick.

EDIT : At least, not everybody has such a sarcastic and despiseful attitude and there are hopefully still some homins that would make the effort worth it. The other ones that would prefer to see Atys die, I won't feel sorry if some of them don't come back when the game survives.

It is not the harsh words of close-minded homins that will stop me. I am much stronger than that.
I would rather Ryzom survived, but either option would destroy ryzom imo

Re: GO F2p (SUGGESTION)

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 1:17 pm
by kalindra
Destroy ? What about the "wait and see" option ? You're just a prophet of doom ! :p You already have given up, haven't you ?

Maybe you would love the result ? How are we supposed to know if we don't try it at least ? :( It's still better to fight until the end than just let it die... that's what I and many other homins : English, French and even German are doing. The people in VCA are member of THIS community : devs, CSRs and players that simply want Atys to survive and keep growing, at any cost. If the game does make money, then it only means we will have succeeded where GF and Neverax failed, don't you think ? Because making money isn't even the goal, it's only there to invest in the game survival itself. And the big companies would curse themselves for not having bought Ryzom when they could... oh how much I would love to see that.

Wait and see... just wait and see.

Re: GO F2p (SUGGESTION)

Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 4:25 pm
by dakhound
kalindra wrote: 1.Destroy ?
2.What about the "wait and see" option ?
3.You're just a prophet of doom ! :p
4.You already have given up, haven't you ?
1.yes in my opinion destroy
2.am waiting and not seeing much
3.yes that is one of my titles
4.yes pretty much