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grimjim wrote: The repeated scathing talk of 'fanbois' etc does not elicit any sympathy, nor does harping on about this 'bug' which makes perfect sense to me. Poison damaging over time? Yep, makes sense. Kirosta do the same thing. So why harass and harrangue people once they've told you something isn't a bug?

soulsnatcher wrote:The original post issues were discussed with DT at length - this is a somewhat bigger picture here that involves more than a post or email

1. There was no reason to delete whole thread. I was one of few ppl who posted one of first few comments on that deleted thread. If there was something wrong in one post in the thread (don't remember that anything was wrong in those first few posts), moderators here can do what they always do: delete one post or edit it. Not to delete whole thread!
2. You can't say to an player to stop talking about the bug (that bug is not exploit, so he/she can talk about it. This bug is reported and it will never be fixed. As long higher lvl mobs are bugged, you need more time to get max. level. - "There are too many high lvl players, let's nerf named, don't fix higher lvl mobs bigs, speed up mob attack, slow mobs repawn time, increase HP, so ppl will stay longer in this contentless game". But that is another story).
3. DT got ban after that letter. I don't see how text of that letter can be "one last step" to get banned.
4. Soul wrote something like "there is more then this". I don't see that "more" anywhere on forums or any screenshots around. Playing for more then a year and watching forums from first open beta, FBT and release i never saw any post from DT that can be reason for ban.
5. Remember that everything is started from simple bug report. If bug report can go so far that player is banned, there is something wrong in whole player-support-nevrax communication.
6. You can't ban someone in Klients. Unless you consider klients as chat and not as support tool. Ppl pay for playing this game and for that support. And AFIK, klients are support tool.
7. If DT did something really wrong, he'd be banned also from the game. Placing ban on forums and klients is just way to say "shut up!".
8. Many ppl in the past made bad post on the forums and never got ban. DT did a lot for this community and don't think he deserve to be victim in all this.

grimjim wrote:Read DT's side of it and, I'm afraid, it still comes across as petulant whining.

Seems to me that the CSRs are being pretty professional in leaving the matter private while DT is presenting his 'side' of the argument rather exclusively and likely without admitting (or if I'm charitable _realising_) what he's done that's wrong.

The repeated scathing talk of 'fanbois' etc does not elicit any sympathy, nor does harping on about this 'bug' which makes perfect sense to me. Poison damaging over time? Yep, makes sense. Kirosta do the same thing. So why harass and harrangue people once they've told you something isn't a bug?

The talk about 'freedom of speech' is somewhat ridiculous. This is a private, not a governmental enterprise, and an international one at that. Not only does the constitution of the US not apply but, as a private company, Nevrax/Jolt get to make the rules about what goes on within their 'domain' (within limits) the same way a corporate entity can make you wear a suit to work or have you sign NDAs about contracts or whatever.

I should like to hear the whole story, of course, but the DT melinoe side seems incomplete and biased in the extreme, while also giving away hints of what likely lead to the ban.

mrshad wrote: Lastly, this affair has shown the darker thoughts from the Arispotle natives towards the Wayfarers. We have been described as “shouting”; “loud”, “rude”, “small children”, “spoiled brats”, and that we do not remember how to use “proper communication”. The implication is made that we are “demanding, egocentric and rude.” I have to wonder how much longer the Wayfarers will wait before finally conceding what the European base has been trying to say for so long...that this is their game, and we are most certainly not welcome.

mrshad wrote:We are being asked to believe that a GM or CSR would not abuse power; that, somehow, they are all above the frailties that are common to every human.
Most of us know that DT can, at times, be abrasive.
Most of us also know that the CSRs are usually helpful and friendly.
But that does not mean that those conditions are always true, all the time.
Is it outside the realm of plausibility that this action was taken, simply, as a show of power toward a player the CS team found both influential and irritating? I say it is not. In fact, I do not believe it is even outside the realm of plausibility. Why? Because the CS team is not comprised of endlessly patcient angels, and the least professional among them would certainly be prone to this type of response.

DT has posted the entire history, as far as he sees it, on the Melinoe website. It seems a pretty complete and balanced look at the drama. I don't think I can really express my disappointment at the CSR in question. I hope his reprimand is swift and permanent.

And what do we get from Nevarax and Jolt? Lawrence tries to convince us that the team would never ban someone without good reason. That we should believe them to be infallible and not given to act on spite or anger.

Soulsnatcher says that we are only being given a one-sided, biased view and that we should stop acting like children, and that "Once toys stop being thrown out of prams," then the 'adults' will take care of it.

This could be brought to an end if we were given frank information from the CS team about what they think 'really' happened. Of course, that will never occur. The all important 'privacy'. DoubleTap makes his case on the Melinoe forums, Jolt conveniently defends by saying his story is one-sided...and nothing more.

So, not only do we not get to know all the facts, such as they are, so that we can make an informed judgment; Doubletap is also prohibited from contributing further to the game through the forums. As a bonus, we all get to wonder if the next bug post or complaint that we make will get similarly squelched, accompanied with the similar lack of transparency.

But, and I think worst of all, the two basic problems that started this still stand. The jugula bug (and it must be a bug, there is no way that behavior is intended, despite what has been said) has not, as far as any of us know, been given serious consideration. And, the painfully obviously clicky nature of the CSRs/fanbois has not been at all addressed. Certain players, beloved of the CSRs, seem to be able to post whatever they like, the rest of us don't get nearly as much latitude.

Lastly, this affair has shown the darker thoughts from the Arispotle natives towards the Wayfarers. We have been described as “shouting”; “loud”, “rude”, “small children”, “spoiled brats”, and that we do not remember how to use “proper communication”. The implication is made that we are “demanding, egocentric and rude.” I have to wonder how much longer the Wayfarers will wait before finally conceding what the European base has been trying to say for so long...that this is their game, and we are most certainly not welcome.

When the general frustration and boredom with the endless, nearly unbroken, level grind gets to be more than the enjoyment I get out of being with my friends and guildmates, I will quit. Episodes like this, and the thinly veiled contempt of much of the player base towards the old Windemeer players add much to the frustration side of the formula.

glipe wrote:As for freedom of speech, isn't the ideal based on allowing everyone the right to say what they like as long as it doesn't impinge on others in a certain manner? Hence racism, inciting to riot, slander, etc are all still illegal?

saeri wrote:WTF was that about? jesus.

I have never seen any bias hatred towards our US counterparts at all, I have no idea why you feel thats true.

Your whole post is based on your own opinion and what you perceive is happeneing, which unfortunatly for you, is so far off the mark, your going to hit the poor woman sitting to the left of the dart board, drinking a double wisky.

DT got banned because he broke certain rules, there as, nothing more so stop stirring with unfounded, childish remarks.