Neutrality

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Re: Neutrality

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zzeii wrote:This was not a direct assualt from the Kami or Karavan, it was from gibbai and cute forces. So going and aiding tribes that are aligned and did not have a hand in this (Hamazans of the Dead Seed, a nice kami-matis tribe) could further renew the kami's faith in your actions, and regain their favor. And to the best of my knowledge, no 'event' fame was awarded until after they were in the PR (beyond possibly the killing of anti-kamis and the black circle, which there were no such tribes present in BB, not sure if they were in the witherings either?).

There are many tribes out there, of which some are purely kami/karavan aligned, and helping them will raise one but lower another. But there are some that will raise the fame in one, without negatively impacting the other.

Many times over the last month or two I have carried out missions for Kami, and tribes associated with Kami. At the moment there are no tribes, nor Kami Ambassadors that are situated with the Kami aligned tribes who will award Kami fame. It seems that all Kami ambassadors for a while now have only given fame for the tribe they are associated with, without awarding any Kami fame at all. Therefore making it extremely difficult to regain the favour of the Kami, unless you are high enough to access missions at all the different teleporters, and strong enough to carry them out.

I'm not sure if this is also the case with Karavan ambassadors and their tribe associations.
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Re: Neutrality

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neofuzz wrote:Many times over the last month or two I have carried out missions for Kami, and tribes associated with Kami. At the moment there are no tribes, nor Kami Ambassadors that are situated with the Kami aligned tribes who will award Kami fame. It seems that all Kami ambassadors for a while now have only given fame for the tribe they are associated with, without awarding any Kami fame at all. Therefore making it extremely difficult to regain the favour of the Kami, unless you are high enough to access missions at all the different teleporters, and strong enough to carry them out.

I'm not sure if this is also the case with Karavan ambassadors and their tribe associations.
Tribes generally only will increase your personal fame up to 50/66(possibly higher, dependant on the tribe) with either karavan or kami. Hazimans of the Dead Seed(Maiden's Grove, lvl 50-100~ zone) will increase kami fame up to 66, and give me no reduction in Karavan fame. Green seed(Majestic Gardens lvl 1-50~ zone) stopped giving me Karavan fame around 50 personal fame, but still lower my kami fame, while the Matysian Border Guards(Knoll of Disent lvl 150-200~ zone) continue to increase my Karavan fame, without lowering my Kami fame. Corsairs(Liberty Lake lvl 1-50~ zone) never gave me any (even though they have a Kami Ambassador o.O) kami/karavan fame changes. Silt Sculpters (Winds of Muse lvl 50-100~ zone....once you navigate the lvl 150-200 mobs gaurding this little oasis) continue to give me +karavan(59personal) and -kami(-2personal). Siblings of the Weed(Fleeting gardens lvl 50-100~ zone) will give me kami fame, but no negative karavan fame.

Many tribes have a sort of 'limiter/cap' on how high you can get certain fames on them. Ex-Doing a Fairhaven(capital) mission would lower Levier/Water Breaker fame til they hit -50 personal, then they no longer lowered. I do a Pyr(capital) mission, which would raise Water Breaker fame above -50, then return to fairhaven and do a mission, and the WB fame would once again drop til it hit -50, then I wouldn't receive any more negative fame (outside of guild fame reduction with them) when I did a mission.
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Re: Neutrality

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End of intelligent Flamewar :(

Back to the norm, constructive posting *sigh*
Am i supposed to write something witty here ?
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Re: Neutrality

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neofuzz wrote:Many times over the last month or two I have carried out missions for Kami, and tribes associated with Kami. At the moment there are no tribes, nor Kami Ambassadors that are situated with the Kami aligned tribes who will award Kami fame. It seems that all Kami ambassadors for a while now have only given fame for the tribe they are associated with, without awarding any Kami fame at all. Therefore making it extremely difficult to regain the favour of the Kami, unless you are high enough to access missions at all the different teleporters, and strong enough to carry them out.

I'm not sure if this is also the case with Karavan ambassadors and their tribe associations.

Don't mind me... I'm having a brief moment of stupiditis. My Kami fame being near max is the reason for the lack of any fame reward from the tribe kami ambassadors. Why didn't you tell me that when I reported it Takashi?! /smack. :eek:
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Re: Neutrality

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neofuzz wrote:Many times over the last month or two I have carried out missions for Kami, and tribes associated with Kami. At the moment there are no tribes, nor Kami Ambassadors that are situated with the Kami aligned tribes who will award Kami fame. It seems that all Kami ambassadors for a while now have only given fame for the tribe they are associated with, without awarding any Kami fame at all. Therefore making it extremely difficult to regain the favour of the Kami, unless you are high enough to access missions at all the different teleporters, and strong enough to carry them out.

I'm not sure if this is also the case with Karavan ambassadors and their tribe associations.
The Icon Worshippers and the Kami Anbassador award Kami fame along with Icon Fame.
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Re: Neutrality

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zzeii wrote:I would like to apologize for the hostility in my previous post yy48n19, it was uncalled for. I was just trying to say, is that the actions of you and those present in BB reflected poorly upon you and your guild to those that were present defending our homeland. If you would have left the area instead of hanging around, and to what people interpreted as, taking advantage of the high spawn rate, no dp due to event, and safety of having a portal nearby, this negative player fame would not have happened. No amount of reasoning behind it, or story-telling (in an RP aspect) will simply dismiss what people saw and subsequently think of you and your guilds actions in BB. These people did not see those of your guild fighting over on the Witherings side (heck even some zorai didn't notice ;)Of which I applaud them in aiding in the fight, in their best ability, against this threat to Atys.
Thanks for the apology, Zzei, and the explanation. I can understand where you are coming from. Apparently, to those players who were dedicated to completing the event, the members of LoT at the portal looked to be and opportunistic and selfish bunch, who contributed nothing to the event as a whole and possibly even got in the way. At the least, it must have been frustrating to see a group of ten or so hanging about and not aiding in the larger group effort. I've tried in this thread, to the best of my ability, to explain that LoT is a Kami-aligned guild and that that is the reason we did not join in the group effort, which was a Karavan-arranged affair. I've also been honest and open about feeling confused about what I should do during the event, and how that confusion led me to be part of a group camping the spot by the portal.

As Nuit stated in her posts, no individual member (save perhaps Kaena) can speak for the whole of Light of Trykoth. I was out of place when I posted my post in the "Saturday Night Threat" thread; I'm not a LoT spokesperson, but I acted that way. Likewise, anything I post in this thread or in any other should not be taken as representative of the guild as a whole, but as one guild member's perspective.

When I participated in killing Cutes and Gibbai at the portal to Bounty Beach with others, I did not intend to disrespect or mock the effort of those players who were intent on completing the Karavan mission; that thought never crossed my mind. I was just enjoying the teamwork that our group had going on.

I'm not a griefer; I don't find spoiling others fun or efforts enjoyable. I also don't enjoy arguing with people, but I do have enough self-respect to face a confrontation and not take derogatory or abusive statements lying down.

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As far as thexdane saying:
yes you do have a problem with it or you wouldn't have been in this discussion as much as you have been.

you are an opportunistic. you are taking advantage that your guild "participated" and "defended" your homeland. i'm sure that if the karavan was the winning side you would be saying how you helped them and blah blah
I am not an opportunistic and I resent you calling me an adjective! :pSeriously, if the Karavan won, I wouldn't have claimed to have had any part of it, because I wouldn't have; none of Light of Trykoth would have had anything to do with the Karavan "winning." What you don't seem to get, thexdane, is that Light of Trykoth, from it's inception, has been a Kami-oriented guild. In order to be a member, you have to agree to a certain ideology; namely, you will work towards reconciling Trykers with the Kami. If you read the history of Atys, you will find that the Tryker were once very close with the Kami. We want to go back to that, and don't want any part of the Karavan.

Furthermore:
this isn't the only time you have been like this tho, the thing is you can't have one set of rules somewhere and yet follow another set somewhere else.

i mean let's say you feel like roleplaying in around chat and then make racist remarks in region chat but say "oh that's not a roleplaying area" i'm sorry but that just does not happen

you are trying to have the best of both worlds and unfortunately you can't have that.
I see now what is going on. You are either the player of Bogardus or another Matis who was with him one night when we bumped into each other in-game. Yes, I was roleplaying in around chat. Yes, I did the "Mellodi glances at Bogardus suspiciously" emote, as you were harvesting not far from me in Lakelands. Your response, in around chat, was "hahaha! Your oil is mine, now!" or something to that effect. So, I (Mellodi) launched into a fiery tirade in around chat. The two Matis called me a racist and I denied it; after all, I wasn't being racist, but reacting to the situation--a Matis laughing and taunting about how he was staking a claim on lakeland oil. Then ensued an argument about me making racist anti-Matis comments in region, and it is true, there were some comments made, but I didn't think I was the one who had made them; anyway, I said it didn't matter b/c I don't rp in region. I've posted about this here, if you care to take a look. In fact, here's the excerpt:

"Region chat generally isn't used for RP. It's your more casual, shoot-the-breeze, jokey type of chat. I and other members of Light of Trykoth make it a habit to RP in around. I still do this when others aren't; they usually "get it" after a minute or two and play along. One cool thing about Ryzom so far is that I have yet to get a "WTF r u talk1ing about?" type of response to RP."

Bottom line? I don't see any reason to RP in region, since it doesn't make sense to me to do so.

Anyway, enough of that long-winded explanation. My point is, you've been all over me in this thread as well as in the "Saturday Night Threat" one, and it seems to me it's simply because you don't like me, and have a bit of a grudge. You seem to feel that I was being dishonest when I claimed to not RP in region, and that I was trying to weasel my way out of something, and you feel that I am being dishonest about my participation or lack of partipation in the tribal invasion event; you think that is how I am, period. This is just not true.
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Re: Neutrality

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yy48n19 wrote:
As far as thexdane saying:

I am not an opportunistic and I resent you calling me an adjective! :pSeriously, if the Karavan won, I wouldn't have claimed to have had any part of it, because I wouldn't have; none of Light of Trykoth would have had anything to do with the Karavan "winning." What you don't seem to get, thexdane, is that Light of Trykoth, from it's inception, has been a Kami-oriented guild. In order to be a member, you have to agree to a certain ideology; namely, you will work towards reconciling Trykers with the Kami. If you read the history of Atys, you will find that the Tryker were once very close with the Kami. We want to go back to that, and don't want any part of the Karavan.
yes you are.
yy48n19 wrote: Furthermore:

I see now what is going on. You are either the player of Bogardus or another Matis who was with him one night when we bumped into each other in-game. Yes, I was roleplaying in around chat. Yes, I did the "Mellodi glances at Bogardus suspiciously" emote, as you were harvesting not far from me in Lakelands. Your response, in around chat, was "hahaha! Your oil is mine, now!" or something to that effect. So, I (Mellodi) launched into a fiery tirade in around chat. The two Matis called me a racist and I denied it; after all, I wasn't being racist, but reacting to the situation--a Matis laughing and taunting about how he was staking a claim on lakeland oil. Then ensued an argument about me making racist anti-Matis comments in region, and it is true, there were some comments made, but I didn't think I was the one who had made them; anyway, I said it didn't matter b/c I don't rp in region. I've posted about this here, if you care to take a look. In fact, here's the excerpt:

"Region chat generally isn't used for RP. It's your more casual, shoot-the-breeze, jokey type of chat. I and other members of Light of Trykoth make it a habit to RP in around. I still do this when others aren't; they usually "get it" after a minute or two and play along. One cool thing about Ryzom so far is that I have yet to get a "WTF r u talk1ing about?" type of response to RP."
actually it was "this resin is our's" and sorry to point out to you but since it was going into our pockets, that would make it our's. since you can't claim something we dug up as your's that would make said item our's, which we pointed out to you at the time as well. you got mad and all upity that we happened to make this point to you.

you were also accusing us of being rude, we were being truthful and blunt, we could have made WAY worse comments towards you but we held our tongues. we were being civil, we didn't call you any names, we didn't make any rude statements or curse in anyway.

as for the only role playing in around, well that's being opertunist. you can't have your cake and eat it too. just because you adhere to one set of rules doesn't mean everyone does. i personally say if the public can see the text of my chat it's open to rp.

notice how not everyone rp's? if everyone rp'd in around an not in region then that would be ok, but if i play by the rules that if anyone can see the chat then it's open to rp, so yes you were being racist and making derogatory comments BEFORE we said "this is our resin"
yy48n19 wrote: Bottom line? I don't see any reason to RP in region, since it doesn't make sense to me to do so.

Anyway, enough of that long-winded explanation. My point is, you've been all over me in this thread as well as in the "Saturday Night Threat" one, and it seems to me it's simply because you don't like me, and have a bit of a grudge. You seem to feel that I was being dishonest when I claimed to not RP in region, and that I was trying to weasel my way out of something, and you feel that I am being dishonest about my participation or lack of partipation in the tribal invasion event; you think that is how I am, period. This is just not true.

you were trying to weasel out of something you did, kinda like you are trying to weasel out of your guild's cowardice. and what you're doing now.

so why not own up to what you did? just admit it and say "yes i did that" and deal with the consequences. maybe then i'd be more willing to not act this way towards you.

honestly i could careless about you, you've demonstrated what type of person you are. i'm not here for a popularity contest, i honestly stopped trying to win people over when i was in high school.

and no i'm not bogardus, tho me and him were having a good laugh at you and frankly we still are.
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Re: Neutrality

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thexdane wrote:honestly i could careless about you, you've demonstrated what type of person you are.
Yes, I have. And you have certainly demonstrated what kind of person you are as well.

I'm glad to be me. ;)
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Re: Neutrality

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yy48n19 wrote:Yes, I have. And you have certainly demonstrated what kind of person you are as well.

I'm glad to be me. ;)
and since I'm the one that can speak for the whole of LoT, I'd like to point out that we are all glad that Mellodi is Mellodi. We are all proud that LoT did NOT help the Karavan.

Thexdane, there are a myriad of comments I could make to you - but you've already proven to be someone that thinks he is right and will see no "truth" other than the lies you disguise as such.

If you want to go at it with my guild, you will do so with me henceforth. Leave the rest of the members out of it.

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Re: Neutrality

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Everyone, I spent some time with LoT leader the other night discussing this situation to try to understand first hand what was really going on and why they chose the path they did during the event at hand with the attack on the Cutes.

What it turns out to be, is that there guild had misinformation about what the event was about in general.

Here is the scope of the situation, please follow with me through this journey.

A week or so ago, there was a meeting in Fyros to discuss how the guilds could work together to defend against the impending kitin invasion on all the lands, no one knew when or where these vial creatures were to poke there ugly heads.

When the invasion of the Cutes in Bounty Beaches occurred, LoT representives were in Zorat territory, and when they spoke to the Zorats about what was going on, they were informed that there was some sort of unknown invasion in both Zoria lands and Tryker lands that needed to be eliminated.

Going on the roleplaying storyline that has been building up over the past few weeks, it was assumed by LoT that this invasion was the coming of the Kitin, and this is where it turned into a confusing and touchy scenario for the LoT guild.

Although they are not against any single race of Homin (Zorat, Tryker, Matis or Fyros), there aliegence is with the Kami, or otherwise known as the natural inhabitants of Atys.

They felt that the Karavan had a part in the invasion, and such, again in roleplay, they decided Not to approach the Karavan NPC to see what they would have to say, since they do not trust them anyway.

They had forces on the Zorat side fighting to defend Zoria and help the Kami bretheren to defend against the perils of there lands.

Those that could not make the trip, remained at the borderlines between Tryker home land and Bounty Beaches, this was so that they could defend the portal from any possible Kitin that might try to make it to and through to Tryker territory.

The role they played in this event was that of homeland defenders, however, defending against something that was not coming.

From a pure roleplaying standpoint, after spending alot of time talking to there leader, based on the information they had during the event, they did what they thought was ultimately right, this is also based on there beliefs and how they choose to roleplay there role in the game with the Kami alignment.

There ultimate goal, is to somehow rejoin the Tryker to the Kami and help in the rebirth of the light and bring others to the Kami cause (what ever that might become in future endevours)

There are several aspects to understand here, there are those that frown upon this, stating that they could have and should have helped on the bounty beaches invasion no matter what since it was a threat to the Tryker homelands, from one aspect they did, this is by remaining, although misinformed about the real threat, at the portal to keep any invaders from breaching into the Tryker homeland.

I originally had my doubts as to there goals and what was truely going on, but hindsight 20/20, I realized after speaking to there leader, that there actions were based on there inability to trust the Karavan or what the Karavan mighr or might not have to say was going on.

They, as a guild, stuck together and stuck to there guns as to what they were doing during and after the event, although alot of misunderstanding about what they did or were doing during the event, caused some misdirected greif, I believe there guild did well to hold to what there leader and officers told the members to do and how to do it.

No one can fault the members for following the officers orders without asking questions.

As far as the thread, the title is actually the only truely misleading thing about it, they have chosen a side, the Kami side, altough they have not chosen a race, they are not neutral, they are fighting to bring the tryker back to the kami and away from the misleading karavan in there eyes.
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