Ryzom

nazak07 wrote:OMG I agree with Sunce!


Free Games= HOrrbile community...
Free Games= Immature Children Playing
Free Games= Tons of people.... when you can't level anywhere b/c there are 30 people in line to kill something

Cash Shops= More money a plus
Cash Shops= People with more Real life money being better off.. sooo not fair
Cash Shops= Hurt Crafters

how the hell is a free game gonna hurt our community when there isnt much of a community to speak off. As for immature kids lol we have mplenty of them already *points at zwolf*.
Tons of people will actually help you level better instead of looking for team for 30 mins you might tp to void ask for team and get a instant invite into 1 of the 2 plod teams going. o.O 2 plod teams in void now that would bring back the goodold days

$$$$$$$$ its all about the $$$$$$ even if people with lots of moeny throw it around, they still need to spend time ingame to get the levels to be a good player, a level 120 noob spending $200 in 2 months is still going to be a 120 noob.

humm guess you ans sunce have not visited the vendors in dyron, crafters dont sell there sup crafted items, they make nice things for guild members and give away to friends. cash shops ingame will not hurt any real ryzom addict

vim79 wrote:great idea


For you so called old timers and ego heads that said NO , your fools, ??????????????????????????????????????????

are we insulting each other now about some stupid idea? thanks................

bf649ztp wrote:
@Acridiel. You haven't been rewarded for your own website and it's cost to you with uber items and stuff beacuse be honest you simply love doing it. The acclaim you get from others for your efforts are i'm sure worth it. But to the point...if you had advertised one of these other evil evil f2p games in the way you have Ryzom you would have been rewarded. They give out rewards even for having a sig on other forums with the game logo on it.

Kodel

Uhu,... *LOL*
I´d shove these rewards down their virtual throats for it.

You see, I do not want to see Ryzom die, never said so, never will.
I just said that I would not play a Game where money´s the call.
Allright, it might all just be superficial, another color, or another design...

But why pay fpr something thats allready there?
Hell, I recognice Player-Characters by their choice of clothing anyhow on my Videos and InGame from afar. Before I´m able to see the Name above the head of an Avatar I know its (insert Name) just by looking at it.

Ok, we all wanted even MORE variables of clothing InGame, but why pay for something that´s allready free to be had?

Yeah, it would bring an influx of money, but well...
Whoever says that Ryzoms Charakters all look alike, or that it has no community at all, to quote a post faaaar above, has never realy played the game. And "Community" doesn´t mean Players on more or less active Servers btw.

It´s like this, us "old farts" would prefere tings to stay like they are. Yes, admitted.

But why? Well, many of us HAVE seen the dark side of other Games that are the "run of the Mill" out there and we didn´t like it a bit.
We love Ryzom for a Reason.
We love it BECAUSE it has almost none of the negative things many of us fled from.
We love it BECAUSE it´s different from these Games.
We love it because of the Dream inherited in it.
Most new Players sadly wouldn´t know about that dream and perhabs wouldn´t care abot it anyway.
Cash-Kids wouldn´t give a crap.

XP-Catalysers... Yeah, as you might see many of us old farts objected the idea from its very beginning.
And we all can see the results they brought.
Very fast High-Levels that do not know a Stanza from a Slaveni.
Great... thank you Nevrax.

Ok, so even IF it would not be Über-Loot to be sold by RL-Cash, I for myself would not want to play in a free to play Game, because those I´ve tried always came down to annoying the Hell out of me and turning of a Channel would cut me of from most of the community. And the chance to find the few good apples in the stack.

Mostly I think us oldies are not ranting against the Idea per say, but against the possibility of Hordes of flaming idiots swarming the Game like the Kitin were supposed to do all this time.
Ohwell, we could call that an Invasion and battle their forces to the death, but I don´t think that´d be a fight we could win

After thinking about it for a while, I personaly wouldn´t realy care if anyone bought his gear or got it on his own real accord, I mind the attitude behind the Charakter.
Most People that actually earn their stuff tend to be of a more "humble" nature and generally more pleasing to converse with, than someone who just whipped out his (or Moms) Credit Card and bought what he liked to "look cool."

Also, and I bet noone has thought of this before here.
Paying for stuff opens up another very real problem for a company owning a Game.
Credit Card fraud.
Ask whatever Game-Company you can and you´ll hear, if they deign to answer, that it´s a mayor problem and causing very real trouble.
From my experience with a Gameing Company I´m not allowed to name here:
Every Month Credit Card fraud alone causes about 300.000 to 400.000 Euros Damage.
Repercussions are still felt in certain Areas, as the problem stays on.

Ok, most Bigger Companys deal with it and know how to circumvent the heaviest repercussions, but still... If another smaler Company like former Nevrax, would take over Ryzom and make it f2p and use Item-Stores or something like it, it would be at a great risk and could very well bring it all crashing down in a short time.

Let´s hope not.

Anyway. I hope Ryzom survies in one or another way, I´d give it a chance then, but well... to many idiots and I´d be gone. *shrug*
Just my personal oppinion.

CU
Acridiel

P.S.: And btw. some Fool paying more in an Item-Shop than a monthly fee is well... just a little bit retared?
Gloryfying this Idea is well... I´d better not say it.
You sound like you want people to get into financial trouble, or don´t care about it, if your Roommate will most certainly have very REAL trouble from his credit card Compnay for years to come. He´ll be one lucky Guild leader, if he can´t afford a PC anymore from all the depts he´s supposed to pay. If worst comes to worst. I sure hope you didn´t mean it this way.
Those are only a few not so bright candels and most people know how to responsibly use a CC, but well...
I realy hope for your Roomie that he wakes up soon.

desertt wrote:are we insulting each other now about some stupid idea? thanks................

Have you seen or used the potion in the rest of the post??
you have my answer

This idea may be a way to save the game and make some profit but it would then be a game I do not wish to play.

So some like the idea of an item-mall, some do not. There should be shards for both of you:

F2P-Shard(s):
Many players, may be overcrowded, you get the uber-items you want, level faster.....but its free 2 play, no limitations.

Regular Shard:
Financed by the F2P-Shard(s). You pay a monthly fee. Everything stays as it is.

If you want to move from the F2P- to the Regular Shard you loose your items, dappers, skills, whatever you bought with real money.

New Content, Patches, Support, Rules will be the same on both types.

If the game changes this way, half of the community will leave ( and the reasons dont matter really so why argue about them. What matters is that it will happen. ). Ryzom will lose one of its most valued assets and it will become very different game and world. And it is questionable if it alone can drag enough folks into game and make enough profit to compensate for those who left and keep the game running.

So yes, I am against it. I wouldnt mind paying twice as big sub, but ingame shops working with RL cash is something that would bring ryzom much closer to the end than it is now.

Try to keep this discussion nice and clean please. I've seen some language and negative attitudes against other players creeping in that I'd rather not see get worse.

Thanks,

acridiel wrote:
P.S.: And btw. some Fool paying more in an Item-Shop than a monthly fee is well... just a little bit retared?
Gloryfying this Idea is well... I´d better not say it.
You sound like you want people to get into financial trouble, or don´t care about it, if your Roommate will most certainly have very REAL trouble from his credit card Compnay for years to come. He´ll be one lucky Guild leader, if he can´t afford a PC anymore from all the depts he´s supposed to pay. If worst comes to worst. I sure hope you didn´t mean it this way.
Those are only a few not so bright candels and most people know how to responsibly use a CC, but well...
I realy hope for your Roomie that he wakes up soon.

Just to address my opinion on this Acridiel

You dont HAVE to spend RL money on a F2P game, I dont and I am very successful in LC, using the markets and training pets are only some of the ways to make money there, so I can afford the best gear and have top class pet buffs as my pets are such high level.

I dont think he wished financial burden on someone in his text, I think what he meant was, a noob is a noob, one that spends $200 is just a €200 noob that doesn't know/understand the game mechanics.

Anyway, we are just playing semantics about something that will never happen anyway

I dont think he wante

BEWARE OF INCOMMING PARODY!!!!
(* Race choice will not matter, because with fully equiped “I WIN” Gear, every Charakter will look the same.)

- Loggin in – please wait. -
- logged in-
- you join channel, “Ueber 1337 Pwnage, The Universal Guild of Winners!” –
- no other channel, or guild avaliable atm –

You say: “High Guys!”

Lordinvincible says: “Oh, hi Killerpuppy, yo new here?”

InvincibleMan says: “Hi.”

InvincibleWoman says: “Hi.”

Crowdkilla says: “HeyMan, you own that phat Swordofultimatedestruction?”

You say: “Well, yes I´m new and yes, I have the Sword of Ultimate destruction. AND the “Hard Boiled” Egg Slammer Hammer of Doom.”

Crowdkilla says: “YeahMan, you PWN! So youboght that “I WIN” Set too, eh?”

Lordinvcincible says: “Ofcourse he did, Idiot!”

You say: “Of course I did. So, what are you gonna do now? Go kill some Boss-Mob?”

InvincibleMan says: “Naw, we did that yesterday. Today we Duell.”

InvincibleWoman says: “Yeah, we Duell.”

PWNisher says: “Hey Guys! Who´ll duell me!?”

Spydoorman says: “I´ll do! Let´s go!”

- Spydoorman fights PWNisher to a draw -

You say: “A draw? Huh?

Lordivnicible says: “That´s normal. We´re all so 1337 that noone can win over the other. It´s just cool to see al that Stuf in action! ;D “

You say: “uhu... Yeah, it looked pretty cool. All those flashing colors and blinking lights. Cool Graphics.”

1337573r says: “Yeah, cool. But World of Wantmore has better Graphics!”

InvincibleMan says: “STFUMAN! Who are you anyway?”

InvincibleWoman says: “Yeah, STFU!”

1337573r: “I´m new around here! Wanna duell N00b?!”

whisper by Lordinvinvible: “We figure that InvinvibleW is a Doublebox-Twink of InvincibleM, his little brother, or just retarded...”

PWNisher: “Fight ME!

- PWNisher wins over 1337573r –

Lordinvincibles ays: “WTF?!!!!11!!”

Spydoorman says: “WTF??????!”

InvincibleMan says: “Huh?!”

Invinciblewoman says: “Yeah, Huh?!”

You say: “What?”

PWNisher says: “Holycrap... how.. what was that?”

Crowdkilla says: “Guys, look at his stats at The Armory, he´s got no Helmet of Überness... N00B! He just bought the “I PWN” Set. *ROFLMAO*”

1337573r says: “Sowhat? I PWNyou! You SuXXors!!”

Crowndkilla says: “No you won´t STFU NUB! You´ll never draw any of us without the Helmet of Ueberness!! *ROFLMAO* What a Wuss!!”

- 1337573r loggs out -

Lordinvicible says: “Now, that was funny. Ever so often some idiot with not enough money comes in and tries to PWN... *LOL* Allright, what´ll we do now?”

Spydoorman says: “We could go into Molten Cavern and do that flaming cloudguy again.”

PWNisher says: “Naw, did that yesterday on my own... Was RoXXoR! ^^”

Lordinvincible says: “Well... then let´s go to that Underwatercavern Dungeon and get that Dogon Guy again. He drops phat Loot.”

InvincibleMan says: “Got all his Loot allready.”

InvincibleWoman says: “Yeah, allready.”

Lordinvincible says: “Allright, Killerpuppy, wanna Duell?”

You say: “OK, bring it on.”

- You fight Lordinvincible to a draw -

Lordinvicible says: HA! See I´m Invincible!!!11”

InvincibleWoman says: “Yeah, HA!”

Spydoorman says: "Btw. has anyone heard of the new Addon? With the "IAMKINGODAHILL" Armorset? Shoul´da just be about 500 Bucks."

PWNisher says: "For real? Oh, then I´ll have to take on another mortage on my parents house..."