Lousy community

[zippo123]

So, let me get this straight, you want to turn the one really exciting thing to do in game right now into a kindergarten nicey nice play thing?
The outposts were meant to be fought over, that's the whole idea. If everyone was meant to have one you'd be able to buy them as a guild option or something along those lines.
I find ryzom refreshing in that it rewards effort, and does not attempt to make everything "fair". I just left a game a few months ago where those who worked hard got nerfed by the "whiners" bending the ears of the dev's.
If someone is doing something you don't like, in game, ever considered doing something about it, in game?
If you’re seeking to pay a monthly fee to mindlessly grind and BS with your friends, that's cool, and there is nothing to keep you from doing that here.
Just don't try and tell me how to play because you don't want to work for the rewards.

Yudachi

Dont think you got the point

[rushin]

(OOC:
No, you're wrong Sumsum. We fought the 1st battle which required alot of effort on our part to organise friends and allies, and a lot of effort on their part as well. Maintaining good trade and other relations is also a full-time job.

After getting the outpost one person guild declared on us so we again got all our allies (we're not a huge guild that can just order all our members to turn up) to show up but the attacker didn't.

Then another guild declared war on one of our allies at 12am Christmas morning. Another no-show obviously. This same guild then heard about our tactic and tried to get in on the action, offering to do us the service for OP mats. When we said no, they started stirring it up on the forums.

Then after the servers went down another so called factional guild simultaneously declared war on all our allies, from the same faction. Another no-show.

Each war declaration requires alot of effort on our part. The system is broken so that it's easy for griefers to weaken your alliance by consistently wasting their time and also leaving your outpost to be under attack from anyone else who is out to get you. There is a workaround that is being employed by a number of guilds. It has never been stated as an exploit, we have openly said we will stop if it ever IS declared an exploit. We are also the most open guild about discussing this and other OP matters.

We also do a lot of trade and giveaways but we simply can't supply everyone, there is a finite limit to the mats. We are also not paying for a religious war, we have no ulterior motive. Most people ingame know all this, sadly it seems the same few on the forums just want to turn this into mudslinging. I don't think we've received any ingame messages about this if people think the issues are so serious. Better to post publicly and try to turn casual readers against your target eh?
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sorry rashan. I have a lot of respect for you personally and the samsara in general for all the good things they bring to the community but what you are doing here is frankly rubbish.
Our OP was attacked at 04:00 recently, i stayed up. Thiede who was able to get online over xmas was doing the same thing defending ours and MoV's. we are a much smaller guild than yours, but we are prepared to make sacrifices to defend ourselves and our allies, not cheat and have an easy life.
don't assume that because ppl dont bombard you with /tell's ingame that they are happy your guild is doing this.

[akm72]

Our OP was attacked at 04:00 recently, i stayed up. Thiede who was able to get online over xmas was doing the same thing defending ours and MoV's. we are a much smaller guild than yours, but we are prepared to make sacrifices to defend ourselves and our allies, not cheat and have an easy life.
don't assume that because ppl dont bombard you with /tell's ingame that they are happy your guild is doing this.

Would you be prepared to do that night after night, for attacks that didn't actually take place?

[kyesmith]

Would you be prepared to do that night after night, for attacks that didn't actually take place?

only one way to find out but i bet you wouldnt want that to happen to your OP?

[akm72]

only one way to find out but i bet you wouldnt want that to happen to your OP?

Which I think is my point?
I don't mind having to defend my OP every so often, but at the moment the low cost of the attack renders us vulnerable to continuous griefing from unscrupulous guilds.

[zippo123]

Please all..

This thread is not about false declarations..
There is another one for that.

~Supernovae

[philu]

and would your guild have the backing to defend an outpost when (not if, when) another allied group decides to challenge your claim on it?

I'm not sure posting a thread with the title "lousy community" is going to help you or your guild put together any such system, or be welcomed in to ones that are probably already being quietly discussed.

Wouldn't be too sure on that one mate. Eleytheria have plenty of friends.

People are moaning about the lack of content in Ryzom and you transform OP in nothing more than buying a drill, which is not big fun...

Let's face it that's all Outposts ARE. They're not GOOD for anything else because the stuff they originally promised hasn't been implemented yet. They're BAD for causing conflict and exactly this kind of thread. They're BAD for splitting this community up even more.

I'm not surprise if people leave this game with this kind of behaviour. This community could be a lot better if people were not so greedy, so selfish...

Well let's face it the thing that has damaged this community is PvP. Before Nevrax started implementing wholesale PvP, this community was one of the best. Now I don't think it is anymore. Too much mindless PvP drivel being spouted in region for my liking. Anyone who was in Dyron the other night when a PvP 'spat' broke out will know what I mean. A GM even had to intervene and tell them to quit it.

Outposts were obtained by simply declaring after the server reboot and then gathering allies later, a process that was clearly unfair to those who unavailable at reboot time.

I'm sorry but how do you reckon that it's unfair that the people who play more, and were online when the OPs were patched, got first chance at claiming one?? You knew when they were being patched in, same as everyone. You had warning, same as everyone. You could have got someone in game to declare on an OP like everyone else did. There's nothing unfair about it far as I can see. Please explain how you think it was unfair?!

[bgraz]

Which I think is my point?
I don't mind having to defend my OP every so often, but at the moment the low cost of the attack renders us vulnerable to continuous griefing from unscrupulous guilds.

sorry but that sounds like a "poor me" attitude. a level 250 outpost should not be something that you just have a right to sit back and enjoy the benefits of.

I thought they were created to cause battles and politics.

I would love to have a 250 OP right now with a false declaration on it so i absolutely cannot lose it. Then i could sit back and whine that evryone wants what i have..what a terible life

[philu]

sorry but that sounds like a "poor me" attitude. a level 250 outpost should not be something that you just have a right to sit back and enjoy the benefits of.

I thought they were created to cause battles and politics.

Your point would be Ok if there actually WAS a battle. All of the recent declarations I've been aware of in Fyros have been wind ups.

I would love to have a 250 OP right now with a false declaration on it so i absolutely cannot lose it.

So you're admitting to wanting to use an exploit are you?

[zippo123]

I'm sorry but how do you reckon that it's unfair that the people who play more, and were online when the OPs were patched, got first chance at claiming one?? You knew when they were being patched in, same as everyone. You had warning, same as everyone. You could have got someone in game to declare on an OP like everyone else did. There's nothing unfair about it far as I can see. Please explain how you think it was unfair?!

the unfair part is that the community (fyros mainly i guess after reading the posts) managed to get it at a point where no attacks are tolerated by the other fyros.. and all guilds having OPs can sit back and relax in some way. I am not mentioning the false declarations.


Some Guilds share trade a couple of mats which i think is really cool btw.. But most don't share.. its them i would like to attack because is unfair that they can sit back and relax and enjoy the oppressed peace.