Ryzom

While I agree with all of this, It'd just be nice if he actually -knew- why he was suspended, and/or all the reasons.. As far as I know, from this "one sided story" (yes, I know it is) is that he doesn't know exactly why he was banned..

Either way, it will have to remain a one sided story, because privacy causes it to be a one sided story. You (GMs/CSRs/other people) can't tell us why he was banned.. you can only tell DT that.. but as far as I know he doesn't exactly/entirely know why he was banned (don't quote me on that)

SIGNED

DT has been and hopefully shal continue to be one of the leaders of this shard (and Windermeer for those that remember it) ... losing his presence on the forums and in klients is a negative for us all...

Sincerly,

Signed. I don't know the whole story, but this punishment seems very extreme, especially if DT doesn't even know what he did.

We are being asked to believe that a GM or CSR would not abuse power; that, somehow, they are all above the frailties that are common to every human.
Most of us know that DT can, at times, be abrasive.
Most of us also know that the CSRs are usually helpful and friendly.
But that does not mean that those conditions are always true, all the time.
Is it outside the realm of plausibility that this action was taken, simply, as a show of power toward a player the CS team found both influential and irritating? I say it is not. In fact, I do not believe it is even outside the realm of plausibility. Why? Because the CS team is not comprised of endlessly patcient angels, and the least professional among them would certainly be prone to this type of response.

DT has posted the entire history, as far as he sees it, on the Melinoe website. It seems a pretty complete and balanced look at the drama. I don't think I can really express my disappointment at the CSR in question. I hope his reprimand is swift and permanent.

And what do we get from Nevarax and Jolt? Lawrence tries to convince us that the team would never ban someone without good reason. That we should believe them to be infallible and not given to act on spite or anger.

Soulsnatcher says that we are only being given a one-sided, biased view and that we should stop acting like children, and that "Once toys stop being thrown out of prams," then the 'adults' will take care of it.

This could be brought to an end if we were given frank information from the CS team about what they think 'really' happened. Of course, that will never occur. The all important 'privacy'. DoubleTap makes his case on the Melinoe forums, Jolt conveniently defends by saying his story is one-sided...and nothing more.

So, not only do we not get to know all the facts, such as they are, so that we can make an informed judgment; Doubletap is also prohibited from contributing further to the game through the forums. As a bonus, we all get to wonder if the next bug post or complaint that we make will get similarly squelched, accompanied with the similar lack of transparency.

But, and I think worst of all, the two basic problems that started this still stand. The jugula bug (and it must be a bug, there is no way that behavior is intended, despite what has been said) has not, as far as any of us know, been given serious consideration. And, the painfully obviously clicky nature of the CSRs/fanbois has not been at all addressed. Certain players, beloved of the CSRs, seem to be able to post whatever they like, the rest of us don't get nearly as much latitude.

Lastly, this affair has shown the darker thoughts from the Arispotle natives towards the Wayfarers. We have been described as “shouting”; “loud”, “rude”, “small children”, “spoiled brats”, and that we do not remember how to use “proper communication”. The implication is made that we are “demanding, egocentric and rude.” I have to wonder how much longer the Wayfarers will wait before finally conceding what the European base has been trying to say for so long...that this is their game, and we are most certainly not welcome.

When the general frustration and boredom with the endless, nearly unbroken, level grind gets to be more than the enjoyment I get out of being with my friends and guildmates, I will quit. Episodes like this, and the thinly veiled contempt of much of the player base towards the old Windemeer players add much to the frustration side of the formula.

mrshad wrote:We are being asked to believe that a GM or CSR would not abuse power; that, somehow, they are all above the frailties that are common to every human.
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European base has been trying to say for so long...that this is their game, and we are most certainly not welcome.

When the general frustration and boredom with the endless, nearly unbroken, level grind gets to be more than the enjoyment I get out of being with my friends and guildmates, I will quit. Episodes like this, and the thinly veiled contempt of much of the player base towards the old Windemeer players add much to the frustration side of the formula.

Holy!

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I thought certain people were asking for proper rule enforcement and punishment just a while back. Good to see the GMs are listening to the players.

kratos84 wrote:I thought certain people were asking for proper rule enforcement and punishment just a while back. Good to see the GMs are listening to the players.

dead on, chrono.

First off, none of us, apart from DT and the CSR staff know what went down, so its unfair for all of us to take a position on an issue that we're not informed about. We can't therefore say it was wrong when we don't really know what happened. As was posted by two CSRs there is a whole procedure that they have to go through in order to ban someone like this. I very much doubt that they all got together and "teamed up" on someone whos done a great deal to help the SoR community.

2nd, chrono had a good point. A few months ago, quite a few people were complaining that rules weren't being enforced. Now that they are, (and was predicted in that thread) people are complaining the other way. Regardless of who was banned, I'm enjoying seeing that someone was banned (nothing against DT, just the fact that they're actually taking action). In my time in Atys its the first one that I've been aware of (for certain).

Also losing access to the forums is like a slap on the wrist. The punishments could be much worse. temp ban from the game, ban from the game, etc.

so all in all, I have to believe that there was some good reason for the CSR team to take the action that they did. DT was a presence on the forums and did a great deal to help others (even if he did have his rough moments). It is because of his time here and his presence that I feel that they had to have good reason to do what they did. but then again, we don't know what happened....

Others have posted far worce here and only had their posts deleted / edited so why now sudenly diside to ban someone?
Also that had nothing to do with what happened here. Was you banned for your actions in game? No we just solved to problem like adults and moved on. This is what i think the forum Mods should do rather then ban people is to try and work things out since the game is noted for its great comunity.

Signed.



Shampoo
The desert Rose

Signed.

I think that DT was a great influence on the Ryzom communities. I enjoyed reading his posts and opinions. I do not understand what DT has done, other than express his opinions...I have read just about every post he/other's have written. I find it humorous to read the banter b/t a select few. No offense to some but starting a forums to fight...isn't that agaisnt the rules too? Dont get me wrong, I love everyone in game and think you are all great people. Please reconsider what has taken place between DT and well whatever it is that has taken place.

With only the best intrests in heart,