Catalyzers or other prizes ?

[twina]

We are talking about game mechanics not alliances. I don't find that if game mechanics broken its our but not gameforge's (nevrax) responsibility to change and fix it. I want my ingame activities to bring me joy exp resources mats items prizes and whatever else, not my relationships outside the game.

First point - the original post by Meloner was actualy a question based upon their personal experience and opinion - which leaves the thread open to a topical discussion - which in turn allows opinions, questions, answers to questions, thoughts and ideas all open - and as you may see if you are capable of reading most of my posts, that I have been talking about game mechanics and my own personal view points discrediting commmon beliefs that Cats are "evil". So dont just "pick" little bits out - try and make a more constructive post.

Second point - Alliances ARE part of the game mechanics just as much as guilds are - for without them the principal ideas of OP´s would not exist. You cant make a game mechanic if there is nothing for it to work with.

Third point - it is not GameForge´s fault (althought it may well be there problem) if Ryzom deteriates due to players taking things way too seriously and over the top. It is not Gameforges fault that players react so strongly to each other - it is the community that is responsable - we as people are capable of realising that sides will be chosen and that if we choose one side that is OUR choice. Gameforge does not make players abusive or make them bring things down to a personal level - opinions and view points should be respected - but insults not traded - unless in a friendly "fun" meant way.

Fourth point - It was you yourself that was complaining about "not receiving cats" which made me direct a small part of a post in response to yours.
Edited final part as was not relevant.

[twina]

Another point i woult like to bring up whilst here, is the actual thread itself. Or at least the "poll".

I think if you are realy going to do a poll, then at least make it realistec that others will reply to it properly. What i mean by this - is that you should make the questions unbiased and not with personal contempt.

A question such as : no keep cats production as it is - followed by ! cats are too precious! shows us that the oringinal poll is not authentic and not realy worth answering -as many people may feel that cats are fine the way they are with current production rates - but they may not tick a "yes" to that question due to the obvious sarcasm stating that they are so precious.

I personaly feel that cats are fine- which I have exlpained and justified my opinion as best as possible with various posts here - but i do not think that cats are by any means "precious".

Pointless poll, although interesting enough thread.

[meloner]

Another point i woult like to bring up whilst here, is the actual thread itself. Or at least the "poll".

I think if you are realy going to do a poll, then at least make it realistec that others will reply to it properly. What i mean by this - is that you should make the questions unbiased and not with personal contempt.

A question such as : no keep cats production as it is - followed by ! cats are too precious! shows us that the oringinal poll is not authentic and not realy worth answering -as many people may feel that cats are fine the way they are with current production rates - but they may not tick a "yes" to that question due to the obvious sarcasm stating that they are so precious.

I personaly feel that cats are fine- which I have exlpained and justified my opinion as best as possible with various posts here - but i do not think that cats are by any means "precious".

Pointless poll, although interesting enough thread.

Ill bear that in mind next time i make one

Pointless poll ? I fail to see how "biased" options make the poll pointless. Of course it doesn't reflect what the majority of players think since 60% never post on the forums. But all polls are like that. Ignore the sarcasm, it is harmless and aimed at no one in particular. If you think otherwise then you misunderstood me, and i apologise.

[raisrev1]

Personally I voted to Reduce their Production Rate. However, I would rather see the Dev's finish fixing some other things first, like the various Quests and Rites before they try and tackle anything else with the OP's.

*slightly off topic*

Trying to get rid of the some 60ish stacks of cats in my GH ranging from ql 50-250, Mostly 200's. If anyone is intrested in any send me a message in game and we can go from there. (all free of course)

[twina]

Ill bear that in mind next time i make one

Pointless poll ? I fail to see how "biased" options make the poll pointless. Of course it doesn't reflect what the majority of players think since 60% never post on the forums. But all polls are like that. Ignore the sarcasm, it is harmless and aimed at no one in particular. If you think otherwise then you misunderstood me, and i apologise.

Just two points -

1st) Being an ex marketing student - I have experience in the field of studies/polls and market research. But that is not needed to understand that a biased poll is a contradiction in terms - if you are actualy trying to get a true reading of peoples general opinion or specific opinion. It is not true to say all polls or research are like that - there are many studies that use complex psychology to determin an unbiased poll. However, for polititical or personal agenders then many research or poll data is fixed with biased and leaning questions or data distorted.

2nd) Absolutly no reason for apologies - I did not think it was aimed at anyone in particular nor meant in a bad way - I was just saying that if you wanted a real concept of peoples preferences then it should have been made in a different way.

[arfindel]

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Second point - Alliances ARE part of the game mechanics just as much as guilds are - for without them the principal ideas of OP´s would not exist. You cant make a game mechanic if there is nothing for it to work with.

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Hey Twina, allow me to disagree slightly with this point.
In Ryzom, as opposed to many other MMOs, people live by the belief that it's not worth pvp-ing if there is nothing material to win. In other words people don't want to win, but to achieve goods.

For those of us who have been in other games, winning in itself may be a prize, may be worth a fight.

Achieving goods by pvp means is something very close to RL. WInning as a target in your actions is closer to fantasy.

A lot of other games where pvp is pretty better developped than in Ryzom and works good, more populated as well, enthusiasm of the players to destory and achieve symbolical items (from winning as an idea to the boom animation when you destroy a player base of an opponent) prove one thing:
All consequences from achieving goods via pvp are not necessary, they are just a choice of old Nevrax in implementation.

[twina]

Hey Twina, allow me to disagree slightly with this point.
In Ryzom, as opposed to many other MMOs, people live by the belief that it's not worth pvp-ing if there is nothing material to win. In other words people don't want to win, but to achieve goods.

For those of us who have been in other games, winning in itself may be a prize, may be worth a fight.

Achieving goods by pvp means is something very close to RL. WInning as a target in your actions is closer to fantasy.

A lot of other games where pvp is pretty better developped than in Ryzom and works good, more populated as well, enthusiasm of the players to destory and achieve symbolical items (from winning as an idea to the boom animation when you destroy a player base of an opponent) prove one thing:
All consequences from achieving good via pvp are not necessary, they are just a choice of old Nevrax in implementation.

Yeah I agree and understand what you are saying - I phrased that sentence badly. Alliances (and also guilds - although they were oringinaly around - but have more importance now) are a consequence from the OP´s - but they begin to form an integral part of the game mechanics themselves. Like a living, growing game mechanic. Of course - depends on how you view game mechanics - as set procedures or variable. But that is just open to semantical debate realy.

As you know from my earlier post - my opinion it is pretty clear that many people do not like the OP´s due to all the negativity they have caused.

[akovylin]

Pity but there's no booms, fame, titles or any other symbolic features only cats flowers and resources, I see symbolic means in WoW PvP - tabards, factions rep, titles and etc not here. No any significant lore factions higher powers reactions in ops - nothing, only cats and resources - so they are aim of my will. If they will give me nice glowing aura that shine different colors for lots of op wars - oooh i will greatly fight for it not that "uber cats" Most pity that after 240lvl without cats its realy hard and unpleasant cause not me all other ppl in team get lowered exp From this point maybe cats are other bug fix Before 200-220lvl there no any need in them atall imho - lvls are getting resonably proportinal with efforst ppls envolved and etc. (maybe except of forage/craft)

Second i try to say that Alliances that redestribute cats - its in fact the community bug fix - that many ppl get nothing for they activities and i think that this bug fix indeed must be implemented by nevrax not community. I argue (maybe not much but try) for ingame trade and ingame rewards distribution and think these things shouldn't take place outside of game.

I think that bad are not cats (and mats) bad are the ways they are obtained - the ways must be more diversed

[murmadog]

Даго борется за теплое, доброе, вечное?..

[desertt]

i think what many new people is stopping is that silan has actualy quests to do like other games and when they hear or see that the mainland actualy doesnt have any quests they are easily turned off.

cause how many mmo's dont have quests? i could only think of ryzom
ryzom is different and some people dont like that.

and cats are a drug when you start using them you almost cant stop
you keep wanting more esp when your a new player save atys stop the cats