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oldmess wrote:If I read you correctly, I'm no longer allowed to use the word "we" in any context unless I've taken a vote? You are reading more into the word "we" than is intended.

But out of respect for you, I shall attempt state my opinions more clearly as mine. But, since my opinion is that Tryker unity with the Matis is key to our ability to not only survive, but also to live the kind of lives we enjoy.... well, the word "we" might creep in from time to time.

Yup, you are right on all accounts, I do happen to contradict myself and try to steer your words. For some reason my desire for independance makes me oppressive on others and their words.

Now all this is said and done, I will step away and let the raving zealots get back into accusing each other of destroying Atys.
Oh, to all the people who spend a lot of time soloing: "We already know there is only one God(ess)."

tylarth wrote:To those kamists drumbeaters that believe the karavan equates to slavery you are simply wrong, it was the earnest faith the trykers had in Jena and the Karavan that lead to:

"The Karavan does not advocate slavery, on the contrary. Let us remember that it is the goddess Jena who in ancient times ordered the Matis to release Trykers from their subjection."

Just to be clear on what i mentioned...

I said the Matis were the ones who enslaved the Trykers! I did not indicate it was the karavan that did this.

The fact that you mention Jena ordering the Matis to release the trykers just confirms the intent of the Matis to me! The Matis didnt see it themsleves that they were wrong doing- they needed to be ordered!

If i were a tryker I wouldn't sleep easy in the Lakelands

I as Tryker like to state my option, I do not talk on behalf of my guild, faction, or race;

Tryker: the Matis whould not turn upon us, if they did they whould have 3 nations against them and have no chance of winning the war. Lets just keep our freedom.

Zoraï: you have been just as bad as the Matis have been in the past, we have been your slaves too, we have had war with you too. Eventhougt I do not believe war realy solves problems, go ahead fight the Matis, I'm sure you will eventualy learn.

Matis: Fight your war with the Zoraï, many of us Trykers have no desire to join a war, our freedom forces us to be neutral in the end.

Fyros: Let us live in peace, we give you water, you stay out of the war, I believe you only folow the kami because of your wars with the Matis in the past, you too can go for freedom and so be neutral in the end, yes your guilds can fight for the kami, but do not let your anger for the Matis turn upon the Tryker.

Karavan: I will folow you, but be sure to make the right choices, if you do too much wrong the homins will eventualy abandon you.

Kami: Your 'balance' does not realy intrest me, you don't want us to take too many materials from Atys, yet you give us drills.

Homins: The war can't be stoped anymore, yet I ask you make peace not war.

threbus wrote:Kami: Your 'balance' does not realy intrest me, you don't want us to take too many materials from Atys, yet you give us drills.

It is a matter of moderation. The planet we live on is a living, breathing thing. We take to much from her, damage her too much, then the planet will die. The Kami simply wish to make sure that doesn't happen. To do this, they simply make sure that no one becomes so deeply embedded in greed that they would tear the land apart. While Jena or the karavan have yet to show their powers beyond reviving homins and transporting, the Kami have been able to esablish this control of resources over all homins. Any karavaneer who digs for long enough in one spot will be shown how the Kami treat such greed. The amount of materials a person can dig is far more than one needs for daily functions, not to mention, survive. Is it truly worth killing this planet so that a few people can drown themselves in materials? Where would that leave them? Nice armor and weapons, yet no where to use them....

However, I believe that this post is returning to once again a rambling of Kami v Karavan. It shouldn't be. This was more an issue of national pride v faction. Which is more important? Should faith be placed at the front, regardless of whom is the believer? If so, then having Matisian owners of OPs in the lakelands should not be a problem. Neither would have a Karvan Fyros guild or a Karavan Zorai guild own one.
but if National pride is more important, then a guild would have to be first and foremost Tryker to have an OP. This would mean setting aside religious hatred and focusing on the Tryker people as a whole, not simply a portion of them. There are strong guilds on both sides of the factions, so a Tryker that is composed of entrely Tryker would not be weak, as suggested by Aajolea, but rather stronger. The 'best of both worlds' possibly.

It seemed that the Trykers got along a lot better before OPs arrived and divided them. Even the temples that were built in the lands didn't truly divide them. Once over, they returned to their homeland and continued as before. It was only when OPs arrived that the storms arrived and blood soaked the sands. Tryker killing Tryker, as well as the other races now becoming involved. Kenshiro died for his outpost and the things he belived. He died unhappy, not because of the faction he chose, but because people he had believed were his friends and comrades had shown up to fight him (OOC: hes not in game anymore due to the OP battle and friends he trusted showing up to fight him).
You all speak of unity from a faction stand point, but the Lankelands aren't unified. The karavan do not control all of the lakelands, the neutrals still hold sway there.

threbus wrote:Kami: Your 'balance' does not realy intrest me, you don't want us to take too many materials from Atys, yet you give us drills.

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If you read the lore behind it Kami's gave us tree-bores to grow roots in the holes the karavan drills leave behind. The kami just allow materials to safely travel up those roots to the surface without disrupting the inner planet to allow the Kamists to be on a level playing field with the karavan.

on a side note, If people quit putting so much stress on not wanting to hurt feelings and having to make explanations for wanting to attack an OP, mabey there would be some fun battles going on regularly to take away from the everyday grind. this is a game after all, and the OPs were meant to be fought over.

I don't really think i'm a PvPer butdammit OP battles are fun..IMO very controlled environment for PvP..and a great way to give us a choice if we want it or not

well my drunken thoughts for the nite

totnkopf wrote:It is a matter of moderation. The planet we live on is a living, breathing thing. We take to much from her, damage her too much, then the planet will die. The Kami simply wish to make sure that doesn't happen. To do this, they simply make sure that no one becomes so deeply embedded in greed that they would tear the land apart. While Jena or the karavan have yet to show their powers beyond reviving homins and transporting, the Kami have been able to esablish this control of resources over all homins. Any karavaneer who digs for long enough in one spot will be shown how the Kami treat such greed. The amount of materials a person can dig is far more than one needs for daily functions, not to mention, survive. Is it truly worth killing this planet so that a few people can drown themselves in materials?

OMG, this is a true classic. A member of Infinity, a guild which obviously believes in sharing the wealth, as they hold both 250 OP in Zorai lands, lecturing us on the greed of the karavan and Matis Guilds!

davrick wrote:OMG, this is a true classic. A member of Infinity, a guild which obviously believes in sharing the wealth, as they hold both 250 OP in Zorai lands, lecturing us on the greed of the karavan and Matis Guilds!

A Zorai guild owning zorai outposts *shock*

alibasil wrote:A Zorai guild owning zorai outposts *shock*

I think the point was that they own two 250 outposts...

sprite wrote:I would have hoped this was the case, but sadly I only ever seem to hear of guilds having to buy things from Kamists or Neutrals (mainly "neutrals")

IC:

You do not hear of the generosity of the Neutrala and Kamist, because, unlike the Karavan, we do not gloat and show off our generosity.

Trade is fair. Guilds must work together to give each other the advantage they both need.

kostika wrote: unlike the Karavan, we do not gloat and show off our generosity.

ooc: Karavan generosity is overrated. Although personally, I'd like more the trade aspect, be for dappers, mats, lower crystals, information, hiring them to protect diggers, PvP etc.