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pandorae wrote:I have been sitting silently to see if anyone else made this point, or if everyone was so willing to have their future dictated by the storyline. I am glad to see that I am not alone on this point.

In this game, they have given us a framework for which to build our character's lives. This starting point need not dictate how we end up though. If the Tryker and Zorai reach the conclusion that we would like to put any ill will of the past behind us, we can! The free will to shap and change our gameplay is what makes a game like this so fun.

As far as future storyline additions and patches, I for one am not a fan of sitting in stasis out of fear rather than building the infrastructure and alliances that will be needed to survive. Many of us know by this point that mutuality will be critical to survival and advancement henceforth. I do not think that his teamwork should be limited by our past.

These negative faction ratings will dissapear with cooperation between the races, and be replaced with strength.

- Pandorae
- Commander, Comitatus Praetorian

No but your awefully quick to start joining forces with those who you know nothing about. Some of us would like to understand why we have reached the point we have and the actions of our ancestors before making choices.

The guild is joining forces with the Trykers. When I asked you why the Zorai had a negative faction with the Trykers your answer was that you didn't know. You have made it a strict rule that the guild is not to do anything to help the Karavan. Yet the Trykers support the Karavan.

I'm sorry but all your doing is aligning with other guilds becuase it will benefit the guild in a material way. Your concen isn't with Zorai history or Zorai beliefs. In fact you know little about them. Consider this my resignation from the guild. I really need to be a part of somthing that at least has some knowledge and care about their past.

raynes wrote:Where did you read that?

In one of the background stories in the old forum. Cannot seem able to dig them up, though, since the old forum is deleted now. Perhaps one of the fansites has them somewhere.

shrike wrote:In one of the background stories in the old forum. Cannot seem able to dig them up, though, since the old forum is deleted now. Perhaps one of the fansites has them somewhere.

Send me a pm, I have some info for you. Or email me at renedrivers@yahoo.com

hehe there's a *LOT* that you can't get to on the current website... ^_~ The Zorai looked down on the other races squabbles and put up their walls long before the Kitin Wars.

Under the Cho dynasty they undertook a campaign of territorial expansion to house their ever increasing populations. They began to set up settlements to the north nearer to other homin civilizations. On witnessing what they saw as barbarous acts of cruelty they began the construction of a great wall delimiting their territory to preserve peace and harmony within and to keep undesirables out. This policy enabled them to steer clear of futile and soul destroying acts of violence and to keep out of the scourge of interracial warfare that continuously ravaged the ancient lands.

In the cover of their vast protected provinces, they were able to develop a form of writing and gave themselves to spiritual enlightenment. However, in 2481, under the authority of Min-Cho, the great dynasty crumbled like a house of cards with the kitin onslaughts which, in their self-imposed segregation, the Zoraïs were powerless to counter.

From sor.warcry.com The problem is that the official site seems to be having some issues displaying civilization backgrounds.


- N

It seems reasonable to me to have both the lore and the numbers. The factions are independant, and subject to the altering political whims loosely related to the perceived governmental view of the mood of their citizens. The numbers simply relate to how an individual of one faction might be treated by another individual of another faction. A Zorai may on average be more accepting of a Matis. Perhaps a good deal of them have philosophies understood and respected by the Zorai. Perhaps they tip well in the restaurants when on holiday.

That doesn't stop them from going to war. The lore that you read is supposed to be akin to a history text, something that records the state events. When nations go to war, there's a good bet that the general populace of one nation does not hate the general populace of the other. When one side realises their political ambitions, the peoples are regularly recorded licking one others' wounds.

WOO!!

http://www.ryzom.com/?page=update_archives

I believe this should answer anyones questions.

- N

MATIS please not Mantis

---Much appreciated from inner Matia

gralen wrote:Here is the rationale that makes sense to me as to the race relations (fame):

Fyros and Tryker are natural allies due to the water situation.

Matis are negative with Fyros and Tryker also because of the water situation, and the invasion of Fyros lands and the Tryker enslavement.

Zoraï don't really care about the other races as much as they care about Atys. Since the Matis are also very interested in nature (being genetic manipulators of plants) the Zoraï are naturally interested in Matis know-how to try to help cure the Goo. That interest earns the Zoraï animosity from the other two races because of the water/invasion/slavery issues.

VERY good point, thankyou for working that out. I'd have to say the factions make more sense if looked at in that respect.

shrike wrote:Not really. The Zorai retreated during the Kitin wars, leaving the other homins alone, becoming isolationistic. Now WHAT image would this have to a society with a strong honor system?

No race retreated during the Kitin Wars because the four races did not fight the kitin wars, the Kami and Karavan forces did. The Kitin Wars only started after the homins had been evacuated. The four races were each summarily decimated during the Great Swarming. Each fought valiantly and alone and each race failed miserably. Every race instinctively fled to the rainbows as soon as they appeared, were aided by the Karavan guardians and had groups resuced by Elias Tryton.

You've fused two events: The Zoraï being isolantionists and the retreat of all homins before the Kitin swarms. The Wall of Zoraï was built long before the Great Swarming. This retreat into isolationism only put mild animosity between the Zoraï and the other peoples. The real issue was that because the Zoraï ignore the politics of the other three races they had no compunction with trafficing with the Matis which would naturally raise the ire of the Matis' enemies.

If anything, the race fames should be have a wider gap with the Tryker/Matis being -30 ish and something similar for the Fyros. There is, however, one thing which has leveled out the fame between all races so there is not such a gap: The Kitins. The result is more toleration between formerly bitter enemies.

There is one final thing to consider. Even the civilization fame is not set in stone, it is influenced by the personal fame of each member of each civilization. Just as guild fame is based on the fame of each member and rises or falls based on members' actions, so can the civilization fame be similarly changed.

tickany wrote:Am I the only one who feels that genetically manipulating nature = rapeing nature? The Matis aren't nature loveing people in my eyes. How would people feel if a race of superior beings did to them what the Matis do to nature? For this, and their relations with the Karavan I feel, being a Zorai, they are my enemys not my friends. Thats how I plan to play anyway Like I read above, +8 really isnt that big of a deal.

Genetic Manipulation huh? Oh really, how did you get your masks then? Or did you not read that part?