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Re: Tryker ql 100 and ql 150 mats?

Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:51 pm
by korin77
Are there Trykers who have higher level harvest? Yes there are alot. Most of them were either beta players who knew where to go to get higher mats or people who managed to get out of tryker to forage elsewhere. It is possible to forage ql 200 sources in Tryker border lands but its very very dangerous.

There are some safe spots that if you are lucky enough to run to, allow you to level up your lake forage if you grind at it day and night. Unfortunately the safe areas do not have all the pieces for crafting certain things.

For example, I found choice resin, armor shell, and sap, but I can't get to the choice oil. It is sitting under a ton of level 200ish zerxs. This prevents me from crafting the ql 80 armor I can make.

I only discovered the forage areas late. Those that had the high lake forage levels used item specialization to give them a boost on levels. I am far behind at level 72 lake forage and have never used item specialization nor power leveled. The only thing I have done is collect as many mats as I could for crafting.

For practice, I run to the matis areas and harvest q100 sources for mats. However I still need tryker only mats for the good armor.

To give you an example of the difference in resource placement. Let me compare matis and tryker. In tryker, the level 50 resources are near the cities. Usually in open areas but some are guarded by level 20-30ish cloppers and goaris.

In matis, the level 50 resources are near the cities also, with wandering level 20-30ish gingos and ragus. So far so good.

In matis the level 100 mats are south of the cities, near rising border post or the kami circle area. The actual forage areas are not guarded, have very little wandering monsters. To get to them though you may have to run past level 70-100 monsters.

In Tryker, there are no level 100 mats.

In matis the level 150 mats are north, past the towerbridge area, The areas are tough with level 100-150 monsters guarding the way. It is hard to get to but once you get there, you can harvest to your hearts content.

In Tryker, there are no level 150 mats.

I have no idea where the 200 mats are in matis, so someone else fill this in. It is however possible to run into prime roots from matis and get ql 150 excellent mats. However its dangerous with roving patrols of kitins.

In Tryker, the 200 mats are in the borderlands. Most have level 150-200 kinchers patroling the entrance that can kill you with lightning from far away. They have a large agro radius and can agro on you within sight range.
To get to any of the safe forage areas, you have to run past tons of those kinchers, some flying things that are deadly and fast, zerxs, tobaks that kill you in packs, and cutes that are just nasty. Even if you manage to get to the right areas, they are sometimes patroled by large named mobs. Some resources are under monster spawns that are near impossible to get to.

Re: Tryker ql 100 and ql 150 mats?

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 3:44 pm
by korin77
I got to Fyros last night and right outside of thesos there were a ton of ql 200 sources... Sure it may be dangerous to get to Thesos from Pyros, but once you get there you can buy a ticket.

To harvest in the lakelands you would have to run to the sources everytime avoiding tons of monsters. This means you always get DP whenever you try to forage there.

So much of a difference between the races and their source availability.

Re: Tryker ql 100 and ql 150 mats?

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 4:58 pm
by qjahe
LMAO, beating a dead horse.

The Tryker material problem WILL NOT GET fixed nor will the Invisible walls.

They known about the problem for quite awhile, even before release I believe. it still isnt fixed for the mats problem in Tryker and it WILL NOT get fixed unless you take out all the water in the land.

Because Obviously mats dont spawn on water and even if it did you wouldnt be able to harvest it.

The invisbile walls wont get fixed either its a brush problem they would have to redo all the island brushs and they have "better" things to do.

Nevrax policy, once again, is NOT TO restore ANY lost items even lost due bugs.

(whatever company is affiliated) has bad priorities if you ask me. Customer should always come first. Sure you might get tricked into giving some free stuff once in awhile but GMs cant be that dumb right. and its better THAT then getting your customers angery and giving them NO SUPPORT when a lost DOES happen due a bug.

Which is why I gave up on Ryzom (being a Tryker Harvester / Crafter). Do any of you know how long it takes and costy to level crafting from 60 to 90 lvl off q50 mats? Sure I could go die 1000 times and dodge lvl 200 mobs to get q90 off q250 nodes, but point is I shouldnt have to.

anyway like I said beating a dead horse.

Reboon

Re: Tryker ql 100 and ql 150 mats?

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:44 pm
by korin77
I know its beating an old horse but you don't know how many times I have had people ask in regional chat where to find the ql100 and ql150 sources. At least here if they do read the boards, they know what happened to them. Cerest already told me they are working on it. It just seems weird that they existed just before beta was over and vanished after release.

Re: Tryker ql 100 and ql 150 mats?

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:32 pm
by bmaze
if you want to find q100 mats in tryker land, go to Winds of Muse.
True, both the entrance from Dew Drops are heavily guarded but once you make it through to the western part, around the lake, the mobs are exactly the same as in Dew Drops. You can even find both a karavan and kami teleport so you don't have to cross the guards again.
Is it balanced? well, yes. We have the enormous advantage of water to hide in if things go bad, which the others lands don't have.

Re: Tryker ql 100 and ql 150 mats?

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:46 pm
by evalisa
svayvti wrote:How does it matter Joseph? Unless they repower up Foragers the Tryker foragers will permanently be way behind the rest of us.

I'm a Zorai and an Advanced Forager. I've got a permanent advantage to any new players or Trykers who try and catch up. I got my levels with 3k a pull new players won't be able to get, and Trykers never will.

I think Nevrax paniced at the Foragers and introduced a knee-jerk slap-patch solution rather than a more time consuming and in-depth solution that was needed.

Thats exactly why they "Nerfed" harvesting

you complain that your ahead and that they fixed others from getting ahead in the same post

Re: Tryker ql 100 and ql 150 mats?

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:11 pm
by korin77
bmaze wrote:if you want to find q100 mats in tryker land, go to Winds of Muse.
True, both the entrance from Dew Drops are heavily guarded but once you make it through to the western part, around the lake, the mobs are exactly the same as in Dew Drops. You can even find both a karavan and kami teleport so you don't have to cross the guards again.
Is it balanced? well, yes. We have the enormous advantage of water to hide in if things go bad, which the others lands don't have.
Ahhh so thats where they put it, I had gone in there before and could not find anything and kept getting killed trying to get to that lake. I think the guards for each area should be proportional to the difficulty level.

Given this info I bet the fount has the 150 sources and the bounty beaches has 200 or 250. I guess they aren't missing, just incredibly hard to get to.

I think the solution should be to get rid of the guards at the narrow entryways. That should not be that heavily guarded since its hard to make your way across if you're a harvester.

Re: Tryker ql 100 and ql 150 mats?

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:24 pm
by bmaze
I think you are right about Founts but the q200 is in Enchanted Isle. Bounty Beaches and Loria are q250.
Regarding the guards, i think they are fair. I did some harvesting in Matis and the mobs are the same all over the place with q100: no guards. But if i get aggroed, i have to fight, i can't hit speed to reach the safety of water. We don't want to hear the cries of the Matis harvesters saying they have been unfairly disadvantaged compared with the Tryker ones now do we?
After all, you just need to punch through the guards once (if you don't forget to buy a new ticket everytime)

Re: Tryker ql 100 and ql 150 mats?

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:29 pm
by korin77
bmaze wrote:I think you are right about Founts but the q200 is in Enchanted Isle. Bounty Beaches and Loria are q250.
Regarding the guards, i think they are fair. I did some harvesting in Matis and the mobs are the same all over the place with q100: no guards. But if i get aggroed, i have to fight, i can't hit speed to reach the safety of water. We don't want to hear the cries of the Matis harvesters saying they have been unfairly disadvantaged compared with the Tryker ones now do we?
After all, you just need to punch through the guards once (if you don't forget to buy a new ticket everytime)
For matis you need to punch through lvl 80ish guards, not level 100+ guards. I can solo those guys coming down and they are not hard to avoid. For tryker you can't possibly dodge those given the relatively narrow space they allow for you to get through. Last time I checked also the portal to Enchanted Isles wasn't working. Maybe they fixed that.

Re: Tryker ql 100 and ql 150 mats?

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2004 7:29 pm
by dc77066
qjahe wrote: The Tryker material problem WILL NOT GET fixed nor will the Invisible walls.
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Which is why I gave up on Ryzom (being a Tryker Harvester / Crafter).
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Reboon
I'd like to think that the Tryker issues will be fixed. I'm certainly not blind to the issues or foolishly optimistic. Some have pulled together and made Tryker a race worth saving. Others have rerolled which has hurt our population. Others still have gone to Fyrosland or Matisland where q100 and q200 resources are readily available. I made it to Pyr from the Lake Lands last night and have been pulling q100 resources for an hour now. Made Desert Harvest 55 already. I got to admit its way easier in Pyr. As a Tryker I have water to my back just in case but I've only seen Armas so far. I did get chased by a big clopper earlier but hey, we Trykers know how to handle them. True I'm not gonna be able to craft with the Desert Choice stuff... and my Lake Forage levels aren't gonna move until I go home.

Reboon, I hope to see you in game some day... maybe as a Matis named Phoenix or Reborn or Retooned... It was fun playing with you. So much anger now... Anger leads to...

Sorry, didn't mean to troll. Just wanted to provide another voice.