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d29565 wrote:I wasn't a kami then, and did not pay attention to the instructions of the Kami. You'd have to ask someone who fought for/dug for the kami at that time. I was usually being killed by Kye then trying to protect karavan diggers.

Jelathnia was Kamist then, and she did dig for the Kami. So I remember.

danolt wrote:I think everyone should read the words of Jena and Ma-Duk. They are the gods of the Karavan and Kami.


http://chronicles.ryzom.com/?page=news& ... n=&id=1316

http://chronicles.ryzom.com/?page=news& ... n=&id=1315

Basically, Jena says we are created in her image and she loves us for what we are. Ma-Duk wishes to transform us until we are a part of him and cease to exist as individuals.

Pero

ooc:

I totally disagree. Most of the commandments/revelations are very similar with these differences:

Ma-Duk...
Revelation 6) Don’t be tempted by false gods, they cannot be of Atysian composition, they have no place in my design, they create imbalance.

Revelation 7) Be the enemy of excess and your journey on the path to Kamihood shall be plentiful.

Jena...

You shall not descend into the bowels of Atys lest the holy light leaves your heart, and the Dragon's darkness devours your soul.

Do not take the law into your own hands lest they be steeped in sin on the judgment day.


So Ma-Duk and Jena agree on many things as they both claim to be the giver of life to/on Atys. What they differ on is:

1. Don't seek out other holy sources.
Ma-Duk: Don't seek to put things out of balance.
Jena: Don't seek the Dragon.("chaos", my word)

2. What not to do so that when you stand before the god one day in judgment she/he can welcome you into "his/her eternal home." (my words)
Ma-Duk: Don't live a life of excess.
Jena: Don't take the law into your own hands.

But a careful review of the differences highlights one being the mirror image of the other. Ma-Duk: Keep things in balance. Jena: Don't seek chaos.

So, there is now one difference to review, Point 2. I summarize this in the following way...
Kamists take the law into their own hands to keep the balance. Karavaneers won't take the law into their own hands knowing that things are out of balance.

Interesting and profound differences(in the extreme), of which only the player, or character for that matter, can decide.

IC:

Seek the chaos to keep the balance. Silence the enemies of Ma-Duk. There is no other choice.

FYI to all

amazing it may seem but you can support your faction and not turn into a raving loony

and u get the tp access rights i for one could never be neutral for that reason alone.
ok so i am lazy so what

Revelation 6)
Don’t be tempted by false gods, they cannot be of Atysian composition, they have no place in my design, they create imbalance

wardone wrote:FYI to all

amazing it may seem but you can support your faction and not turn into a raving loony

Ok, yeah, sure... but where's the fun in that?

u mean a being a raving loony is fun?

not french are u

I have fun hunting down and killin critters and bad folk (tribes) in-game too, dont mean I want to spend my rl time running round looking for giant insectoids, rabid mutts and criminal types to kill, now, does it?

Seems some folk have a rather hard time seperating fantasy from... that other place

The resolutions are specific to one group in one place, the Kami on Atys. The Commandments don't even mention Atys or the Karavan, only disciples of Jena. Which brings up some very interesting discussions on whether the Karavan are the trusted disciples she speaks of.

Ma-Duk uses verbs like follow and lead. Jena uses verbs like honor and love. They both use adore which seems rather odd. Ma-duk deals in absolutes it is either part of his design or it is imbalance. Jena tells us that if we seek her, she will meet us half way.

There is nothing poetic in the resolutions of Ma-Duk, it is like an instruction manual for a microwave. Jena speaks of children, trees , soils, joy, rot and torment. These were words written by and for someone who is alive.

Neither the Karavan or the Kami are interested in balance as we would define it. Both groups see each other as a cancer. They might possibly accept a cancer that is dormant. An opponent that is growing must be removed. Balance means cancer free.

Now for one of my crazy Karavan theories. I am inclined to believe that the Karavn were actually a warrior caste assigned to protect the trusted disciples who have since died I think Ma-Duk is a fallen disciple of Jena, most likely her son. I think it is quite possible that his betrayal was not one of his own free will, but that he was a victim of the goo/dragon/kami. Perhaps the Karavan were the guardians of Ma-Duk that escaped and the undead looking Kami are the Karavan guards who did not.

Pero

danolt wrote: ...Now for one of my crazy Karavan theories...
Pero

Pretty crazy .

From my perspective the kami are ultra conservative with scant regard for life not under their control and thoses who upset their vision of balance. Their balance is also not natural, it is enforced preservation presumably in their own interest. They fear change and empowerment of Homins as that presumably is their end, not Homins.

Karavan are progressive and ultimatly aid all homins, and quite likely the creators of atys, or atleast strongly related (jessica's interview faux pas about terraforming, also nanoseed sounds technological, not natural), Thus Homins are likely made in jenas image in a manner of speaking, and it is the karavans task to safe guard homins as best they can (kitin wars). Karavan also speak of a finite atys (dragon) so were they true exploiters they keep homins in ignorance of such things as dragons awakening.

The dragon i believe is just a mythological metaphor, same as the void is for the kami, Goo i believe is perhaps the reality of a finite atys.

My crazy theory: Homins are the product of the karavan, for genetic breeds of homin (mankind?) fyros warrior caste (warrior culture), matis scientist/technician caste (culture of excellence in products + genetics) tryker Astronauts (explorers by instict, communal, 3 dimensional enviroment of water) zorai... not too sure prehaps chemically resistant soldiers/workers (culture of diligence, and reflexion + nr the goo). Kami are either an unforeseen by product or a deliberate adversary/ally to accelerate cultures + development. Kitin perhaps the same or the real true natives on the terraformed planet. Goo is the breaking down of the terraforming, its a plant in essance so goo is signs of old age or similar such debilitation

*extends hand*

Insame isn't it, war among the Kami and Karavan, no one agree's with another. I have stood by the Karavan side all my life and seen things that no one should ever see in their lives. I fight the Darkness that would make any warrior fall to his or her knee's in fear.

Choose any side you wish but if you want to stay out of the fire of the Kami and Karavan I shall help you through it. If anyone was felt the fire from this war it's me and I don't want anyone else to suffer from it.

I know not from where the Kami come from but I do know where the Karavan come from and I quote..


The Karavan are the chosen of Jena. From Jena they got the gift to visit the stars. But the dragon possessed some of them and their homeworld became uninhabitable. During the search for a new home many fell to the rage of the dragon. Some found a inconspicous planet. It turned out that the dragon lived on this planet and held many different peoples enslaved. The Karavan were very sad to see this and bid Jena to help these poor creatures. Jena heard them and filled the dragon with infernal fire which would consume him if he tried to spit it out.”

“The icy crust of the planet was thawed due to the dragon’s attempts to lessen his suffering at the same time as Jena started the green surge. From a dreary planet the life emerged at fantastic speed and tied the dragon to the planet’s centre. With the help of his self-consuming fire the dragon tried to free himself and burned lots of the sprouting plants. Jena’s might though was too strong, the dragon could do little against it. Atys was created and Jena commanded the Karavan to watch over the peoples; Homins, who were filled by her light and free from the influence of the dragon.”

“Though Jena warned the Karavan that the dragon would awake and hereby consume himself and all of Atys. So tells the legend at all...”

This comes from the Atys Chronicles; don't believe me then go here...http://chronicles.ryzom.com/?page=featu ... n=&id=1937

It's your chose and your's alone.

//Windra