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Re: The Coded Letters found so far...

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:58 am
by samwise1
is it possable they threw us a realy hard one and each line of code has a different cypher. using statistical cypher first line comes up with lots of W's and X's and also ends with ZXX. As a long shot is it possable that W denotes a space? and X is the real E in this case it would make the last word 'see' since there are few 3 letter words that end in a doubble letter it does make a bit of sence.

Re: The Coded Letters found so far...

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:22 am
by vinnyq
Hmm, if 'W' denotes spaces, why the 5 real spaces in the text?

The formating of it seems kinda strange, the end letters in each lines might be a key to each of the line.

Re: The Coded Letters found so far...

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:29 am
by sidusar
vinnyq wrote:Hmm, if 'W' denotes spaces, why the 5 real spaces in the text?

The formating of it seems kinda strange, the end letters in each lines might be a key to each of the line.
I believe the spaces weren't there in the original code, let's see if I can still find the screenshot I made during the event.

Last five letters might be the key though, but I'm sure Amcyr has already considered that.

Re: The Coded Letters found so far...

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:31 am
by samwise1
yes that is what i was thinking also, but what do they suggest, should we take these letters out of the previous sentence should we replace them with another letter? as for the W and the spaces, its a long shot but the long sentences have to be broken up some how. maybe the letters at the end of the sentecnce are the ones that are used as fillers

Re: The Coded Letters found so far...

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 3:41 am
by vinnyq
sidusar wrote:I believe the spaces weren't there in the original code, let's see if I can still find the screenshot I made during the event.

Last five letters might be the key though, but I'm sure Amcyr has already considered that.
So the original was all just one line of text with no spaces and end of line at all? A screenshot would be awesome.

eta:

I see a 'XYZ' in the end there, quick Amcyr, do something with that!

eta2

Ok ... I am seeing a lot of double letters. Let see if this help Amcyr :)

IDGDHWVRWXFTJVZWTIJPGQTXAVSGFENOEZWPXWDWRFTDZHNOAP ZXX
XVVPTUTOSNJTAZAHAVJTQERDMMUFRNGJSOCGUUEFIPTRDWOSFX EWCKY
YYPQZPFPCGWLYOTLHRANSIFMCVMJMOIRQBUUXWMJBGPHVKAJUC UEHNQ
RDMGEZGZUDQZNKMHOKVLBOXVNAGNUFWHELXZOLUXVVHWJKYPYN FHY
AJQHHXEPFLUERQZLIJPDXOKHQJVEVRDBWKMKHJOHJQXYZVOAGL CYSBRP
YVEFT

If it's just a simple letter substitution, how often does a few sentences have that many double letters in it?

Re: The Coded Letters found so far...

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:18 am
by samwise1
vinnyq wrote:So the original was all just one line of text with no spaces and end of line at all? A screenshot would be awesome.

eta:

I see a 'XYZ' in the end there, quick Amcyr, do something with that!

eta2

Ok ... I am seeing a lot of double letters. Let see if this help Amcyr :)

IDGDHWVRWXFTJVZWTIJPGQTXAVSGFENOEZWPXWDWRFTDZHNOAP ZXX
XVVPTUTOSNJTAZAHAVJTQERDMMUFRNGJSOCGUUEFIPTRDWOSFX EWCKY
YYPQZPFPCGWLYOTLHRANSIFMCVMJMOIRQBUUXWMJBGPHVKAJUC UEHNQ
RDMGEZGZUDQZNKMHOKVLBOXVNAGNUFWHELXZOLUXVVHWJKYPYN FHY
AJQHHXEPFLUERQZLIJPDXOKHQJVEVRDBWKMKHJOHJQXYZVOAGL CYSBRP
YVEFT

If it's just a simple letter substitution, how often does a few sentences have that many double letters in it?
yes i saw this too first thing i noticed even got out a dictonary and started looking though to see if i could find the one that seemed to start a sentence with YY though i would like to know if it is all ment to be togeather as 1 message with out spaces ect before realy attempting more.

Re: The Coded Letters found so far...

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:31 am
by sidusar
Found the screenshot. I have nowhere to host it, but here's what it says:
Deggen says: IDGDHWVRWXFTJVZWTIJPGQTXAVSGFENOEZWPXWDWRFTDZHNOAPZXX
Deggen says: XVVPTUTOSNJTAZAHAVJTQERDMMUFRNGJSOCGUUEFIPTRDWOSFXEWCKY
Deggen says: YYPQZPFPCGWLYOTLHRANSIFMCVMJMOIRQBUUXWMJBGPHVKAJUCUEHNQ
Deggen says: RDMGEZGZUDQZNKMHOKVLBOXVNAGNUFWHELXZOLUXVVHWJKYPYNFHY
AJQHHXEPFLUERQZLIJPDXOKHQJVEVRDBWKMKHJOHJQXYZVOAGLCYSBRP
Deggen says: YVEFT
No spaces. Three seperate sentences, a doublelength one that could be one single or two seperate sentences, and then 5 more letters.

Edit: I see the spaces are put in again, so to clarify again: They are not there. I did not put them there. There are no spaces.

Edit2: Also remember how the third letter had:
xyzabc <- junk at the end ?
Maybe that's they key to this one, somehow.

Re: The Coded Letters found so far...

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:36 am
by vinnyq
sidusar wrote:Found the screenshot. I have nowhere to host it, but here's what it says:

No spaces. Three seperate sentences, a doublelength one that could be one single or two seperate sentences, and then 5 more letters.

Edit: I see the spaces are put in again, so to clarify again: They are not there. I did not put them there. There are no spaces.
Wait, 3 or 4 separate sentences plus the 5 letters at the end? How do you know that the 2nd and 3rd "says" was meant to be 1 doublelength sentence?

Re: The Coded Letters found so far...

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:38 am
by sidusar
vinnyq wrote:Wait, 3 or 4 separate sentences plus the 5 letters at the end? How do you know that the 2nd and 3rd "says" was meant to be 1 doublelength sentence?
I meant that the 4rd "says" could be a single sentence that's double as long as the other three, or that it could be two seperate sentences in one "says".

Re: The Coded Letters found so far...

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:51 am
by vinnyq
ah, gotcha!

I think we're going to need some outside help, I am gonna pass it around ;)

(or it could just be treated as one single long string and the spaces and endofline are arbitrary, meaning we'll have to insert/format it ourselves)