Why do the Zorai have a neg faction with the Trykers?

[raynes]

What I meant was that +8/-8/-16 makes a toal of -16. (and a straigth total of 0 ragrding Kami and Karavan) within this total EVERY combination would be balanced like
race 1: +8/-8/-16
race 2: 0/-6/-10
race 3: +2/0/-18
race 4: +6/-8/-14

in that way they faction could have been more consistent with the story while still being balanced as a whole.

That simple -8/+8/-16 was nothing less then dumb and lazy and doesnt fit at all into the efforts there had been put into design otherwise as it takes less than 1hour to come up with a solution thats better than the current one.

I think at this point we need to hear an official word on this. If it is simply because of balance issues then they need to come up with a story that fits the faction settings. If they don't then this game will be no different than tons of others where the story and background are simply stuff that is on a website that doesn't matter. If they don't want to come up with a story, then patch the game so that the numbers match the balance scheme that ayne31 posted. It's early in the game and changing that won't do that much damage. This is not a good start to the story aspect of the game at all.

[shrike]

This "variable" fame ratings won't work, because fame is a measure how much the the paries like each other. You have to have the same value on both sides for this.

Also, the current fame starts are actually quite well balanced if you exclude the zorai - the fyros-tryker-Mantis Relations fit quite well with the background story. The Zorai stats had to be a little pushed in for the sake of balance - but this ..er.. blancing between Background Story and Game Balancing is present in every MMORPG. Because they are in the end primary games. And unbalanced games are no fun (at least for the part in disadvantage).
As compromises between game story and game balancing go this is a pretty minor one.

[raynes]

This "variable" fame ratings won't work, because fame is a measure how much the the paries like each other. You have to have the same value on both sides for this.

Also, the current fame starts are actually quite well balanced if you exclude the zorai - the fyros-tryker-Mantis Relations fit quite well with the background story. The Zorai stats had to be a little pushed in for the sake of balance - but this ..er.. blancing between Background Story and Game Balancing is present in every MMORPG. Because they are in the end primary games. And unbalanced games are no fun (at least for the part in disadvantage).
As compromises between game story and game balancing go this is a pretty minor one.

That is like saying that a car runs great as long as you don't count the back left tire that wobbles. That is the problem with MMO's, and it's exactly how everyone ends up with a story that either doesn't make sense or doesn't matter. Instead of either developing so that the game elements fit the story or writing so they fit, they just throw stuff in and act as if its ok.

I'm sorry but this early in the game this is really unacceptable. There is no reason why there should be something in game that doesn't fit with the story. If they need to change something because of balance or programming issues, they need to write story information as to why.

[fitzrpg]

Re: Tryker/Zorai

The impression I got from the backstory is that the Trykers now lean a bit toward the Karavan - still a bit distrustful but influenced by them. They used to think the Kami were more fun, but for some reason stopped associating with them.

The Zorai of course are Kami fetishists.

What I don't understand is why the Zorai seem to like the Matis who are fully on the side of the Karavan.

Fitz

[chuangpo]

Re: Tryker/Zorai

What I don't understand is why the Zorai seem to like the Matis who are fully on the side of the Karavan.

Fitz

It has to do with knowledge. The Matis apparently know a great many things that the Zorai would like to get thier hands on. The Zorai may ally with the Kami, but they're not stubborn to the point where they are going to ignore some knowledge that may help them reach thier goals.

I think the Zorai don't care for the Fyros, but not so much for thier associaitons with the Karavan as it is that they blame the Fyros for awakening the kitin.

[ayne31]

This "variable" fame ratings won't work, because fame is a measure how much the the paries like each other. You have to have the same value on both sides for this.

Not if you compare with RL: quite often nation 1 likes nation 2 whereas nation 2 looks down on nation 1 or nation 1 dislikes nation 2 while nation 2 just dont give a damn about the nation who dislikes them.

But especially regarding the Karavan/Kami faction there is no need for a simple +8/-8 solution.

PS: My example was by all means only a math example with placeholders - I had no certain races in mind.

[raynes]

Not if you compare with RL: quite often nation 1 likes nation 2 whereas nation 2 looks down on nation 1 or nation 1 dislikes nation 2 while nation 2 just dont give a damn about the nation who dislikes them.

But especially regarding the Karavan/Kami faction there is no need for a simple +8/-8 solution.

PS: My example was by all means only a math example with placeholders - I had no certain races in mind.

That is very true. Take people in real life. Someone might adore a movie star (high faction) while the movie star could care less (neutral faction).

[ayne31]

That is very true. Take people in real life. Someone might adore a movie star (high faction) while the movie star could care less (neutral faction).

and to keep things balanced the movie stars all despise each other (negative faction)

[neiana]

This was answered already, I guess you missed it. I'll reiterate.

The Fyros and Trykers are natural allies. Always have been. The Fyros needed water, the Trykers had water.

The Matis and Trykers are natural enemies. The Matis believe that all races have a place, and that the Tryker race should be the "grunt".

The Zorai and Trykers, in my opinion, also are done properly. The Trykers are somewhat not trusting the Karavan.. but here's the real kicker. We originally were in the favor of the Kami, and the Kami left for the Zorai! Don't you think that would make you a little mad?

What I don't get, is why is it do the Trykers have +fame with the Karavan, when they've oft shrugged off Jena's teachers or the Karavan guidance? Especially since the Matis were completely with Jena/Karavan when the Trykers were enslaved.

Maybe this is an awesome new RP opportunity. Think of it like this. Say we go to war with N.Korea and we get our sorry booties kicked. Say they take lots of ""slaves". Well, in the end we are free again, but some of us have come away with the N.Korea culture nonetheless... so now while we WERE a race of freedoms and democracy, now some of us want communism... ^_~

Back to the Zorai thing. If you really want to forgive the Zorai for taking our beloved Kami, go ahead. I am personally favoring this idea, as I want to get closer to the Kami myself. The Fyros never did protect us very well.

- N

[ente33]

Well, if you read some of the fiction, they had a Fyros girl and a Matis preacher falling in love. Even though he wasn't embraced by the town, and was foisted off on the one family to avoid a general disturbance, he was not met with hostility.

This isn't some Dark Elf grouping with a High Elf situation. Even if there was greater hostility over the aggressiveness of the Matis, the fight for survival against the khitins has smoothed relations out for now. A Tryker may charge a Matis more, unless that Matis does a lot for Trykers, and overcomes their discrimination. That's a better way to look at it. Degrees of discrimination, rather than an EQ-style faction system.