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Re: Selling my wares, I don't want to sell to Kami lovers.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:55 pm
by varelse
oldmess wrote:This seems much better than trying to say it applies to all or that it applies regardless of the level of negative fame one might have. We each get a small amount of negative fame just because of our race. You might want to block all sales even to someone like that, but others may only want to block sales to those that are truly committed to this conflict. (Very low fame)
To be honest though, this seems like it's being suggested in a vacuum. I don't mean you are suggesting it without paying attention; I mean that this type of change isn't something that should happen alone. If we're going down this road, some of the suggested changes having to do with making guild alliances game-supported as well as making guild hostility declarations game-supported should go along with this. That way if a treaty or truce is worked out, those items that are still for sale, could change availability automatically.
I agree 100% and would love to see more support given to building and managing alliances and declaring war on enemies. The ability to choose who you deal with in the global market, based on fame, is only one of many features that I'd like to see added in support of this.
Re: Selling my wares, I don't want to sell to Kami lovers.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 10:55 pm
by tetra
A much better system would be to allow higher +hp/+sap/+stam to be used when you put fame requirements on an item, or to have fame requirements placed on items directly buff stats (int/wis/con/balance/etc)
Re: Selling my wares, I don't want to sell to Kami lovers.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:09 pm
by varelse
tetra wrote:A much better system would be to allow higher +hp/+sap/+stam to be used when you put fame requirements on an item, or to have fame requirements placed on items directly buff stats (int/wis/con/balance/etc)
Yeah, that would actually prevent players from circumventing the fame requirements by having a friend (or a broker) with the required fame levels buy an fame-required item and then trade it off.
Re: Selling my wares, I don't want to sell to Kami lovers.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:18 pm
by josephm
eww I hate level requirements. I know they exist for heavy/medium armor already but I don't mind lower level peeps running around with nice light armor they were given or saved up for. Due to regen solo will go just about slower, if not longer in-between downtimes.
In groups you can pretty much kick arse anyways.
Re: Selling my wares, I don't want to sell to Kami lovers.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:26 pm
by caitiff
marct wrote:Given the escalation between the races and/or factions. It has come to my attention that it may not be in my best interest to supply the "enemy" with goods.
I was wondering if at some point in time it would not be pertinent to have a player listed item have fame requirements specified to be able to view or purchase the item from the vendor. I can to some extent understnad the ability for a Kami lover to be able to walk into Yrkanis and be around, As I have heard the lore, I do not believe Yrkanis is bound to the Karavan. However I am sure there are some NPC's at this point in our conflicts that should definitely not care to talk to a Kami, much less sell goods to them. As well as some players who would not like there goods to fall into Kami hands.
Please provide some feedback and your thoughts. And please don't hate me in-game for pointing out something that should clearly be in-game.
I do not believe this should be done like this. Lets say you are muslim and i am catholic. Now you dont want to sell to catholics but only muslims. Sure if i wore a sign saying im catholic you wouldn't sell to me, but would it be that hard for me to come over and say i am muslim where u sell to me as you have been fooled? Now of course if i make my alliance well known (as Raynes has for example) then you would know and wouldnt have to sell to me. This is how it should be as one can make it well known to the community (as Raynes) and then they can be limited. Or one could pretend to be something other then what they are and get another item. I think this is the best way as it is more relistic. One thing to do is start writing down names of guilds and what alliance they are w/. Then when u see the person is in a kami guild u dont have to sell to them...
Re: Selling my wares, I don't want to sell to Kami lovers.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:27 pm
by varelse
josephm wrote:eww I hate level requirements. I know they exist for heavy/medium armor already but I don't mind lower level peeps running around with nice light armor they were given or saved up for. Due to regen solo will go just about slower, if not longer in-between downtimes.
In groups you can pretty much kick arse anyways.
This is not a suggestion to add skill level requirements to buffs on stats for jewelry and light armor - it's a suggestion to create a system for players who wish to do so, to mark items with fame requirements that affect the usefulness or availablity of items they are crafting or selling.
It allows players to continue to use the global vending system and still play roles that do not permit them to have dealings of any kind with the "enemy" faction.
Re: Selling my wares, I don't want to sell to Kami lovers.
Posted: Mon Jan 31, 2005 11:33 pm
by josephm
It's not called 'faction tendancies' Caitiff. It's called fame! That implies that it's well known by a lot of people that you are doing a lot of great things for them.
edit: like El Guapo! see, he's infamous. The in means he's more than famous!
varelse. Sorry I misunderstood. the post didn't seem to clear to me on whether or not the requirements were player implemented or globally. If it has to do with giving players more options I'm gung-ho for it!
Re: Selling my wares, I don't want to sell to Kami lovers.
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 4:27 am
by caitiff
josephm wrote:It's not called 'faction tendancies' Caitiff. It's called fame! That implies that it's well known by a lot of people that you are doing a lot of great things for them.
edit: like El Guapo! see, he's infamous. The in means he's more than famous!
Ok, i guess you're right there ;P
Re: Selling my wares, I don't want to sell to Kami lovers.
Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:41 am
by jackmor
marct wrote:Given the escalation between the races and/or factions. It has come to my attention that it may not be in my best interest to supply the "enemy" with goods.
I was wondering if at some point in time it would not be pertinent to have a player listed item have fame requirements specified to be able to view or purchase the item from the vendor. I can to some extent understnad the ability for a Kami lover to be able to walk into Yrkanis and be around, As I have heard the lore, I do not believe Yrkanis is bound to the Karavan. However I am sure there are some NPC's at this point in our conflicts that should definitely not care to talk to a Kami, much less sell goods to them. As well as some players who would not like there goods to fall into Kami hands.
Please provide some feedback and your thoughts. And please don't hate me in-game for pointing out something that should clearly be in-game.
Well I can tell you this. My fame with the karavan has gotten to the point that I can no longer buy in the tryker and matis home cities. So it stands to reason that if a homin does not want there goods to be bought buy kami lovers then dont seel in kami areas and they wont be able to buy them. Its not to hard to buy those goods now but as time passes if looks like it would be impossible. That is when they fix the missions and encyclopidia.