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reynjl0 wrote:In a way, yes, our guild represents an opposite of the Kult of Kami and we hope to fill the vacant niche of a militant pro-Karavan guild. Glad to have you on the great stage with us Raynes . We look forward to playing the game like it was meant to be played.

Amen to that. Tonight was the first night that the game actually had meaning and the story came to life. I just hope more people join us and experience the real game.

I am very happy there are both RP Kami and Karavan guilds in the game now. I reitterate PF is now and shall be Neutral as much as we can be and still have fun. Again our members do what they feel is right, and that may oppose the general direction the guild wishes to maintain. That is part of the dynamic we have. There have been more than one occasion where our Kami supporters have killed Karavan tribes.

The guild policy is still neutrality. Not because we don't have opinions, but because we dislike the Kami manipulations and perversions of reality AND the Karavan lies and secrets. Freedom is not found on your knees before sprites, androids or statues of a goddess that watches Atys from on high while her followers are cut down by insectiod hordes. Freedom comes from the strength to stand on your own two feet and wield your sword, pick, amp or craft tool for yourself and not the glory of Karavan, Kami or some unseen sky goddess.

BTW, ty for more explanation on your grouping policy, I did not understand your position form the first post.

jivalax wrote:I am very happy there are both RP Kami and Karavan guilds in the game now. I reitterate PF is now and shall be Neutral as much as we can be and still have fun. Again our members do what they feel is right, and that may oppose the general direction the guild wishes to maintain. That is part of the dynamic we have. There have been more than one occasion where our Kami supporters have killed Karavan tribes.

The guild policy is still neutrality. Not because we don't have opinions, but because we dislike the Kami manipulations and perversions of reality AND the Karavan lies and secrets. Freedom is not found on your knees before sprites, androids or statues of a goddess that watches Atys from on high while her followers are cut down by insectiod hordes. Freedom comes from the strength to stand on your own two feet and wield your sword, pick, amp or craft tool for yourself and not the glory of Karavan, Kami or some unseen sky goddess.

BTW, ty for more explanation on your grouping policy, I did not understand your position form the first post.

No matter if some of your group kill Karavan tribes and some of your group kill Kami tribes, the actions of some of your memebers do reflect the guild on a whole. Last night at least one of your members joined in an attack on a Kami supporting tribe in an area that has been designated safe haven for the Kami. You can't expect to be treated as a neutral entity if your members are going around killing groups. In fact by allowing some of your members to kill both Karavan tribes and Kami tribes, you aren't remaining neutral you are becomming the enemy of both.

You and a few other members have said that the actions of individual members don't reflect the guild on a whole. Hearing that I am left to ask if the actions of your members don't reflect the guild, what does? At this point you need to make some choices as you can't be considered neutral and go round taking hostile actions against other groups. Either you need to tell your members not to attack other groups, or you need to deal with the reaction and effects of those attacks.

You have made your position clear. Good luck in all that you do. I have no reason to discuss anything further with you.

I will say that until now no one has ever seen me raise a sword to a kami, or kami friend. Bandits are the only NPC I have ever killed. That will probably change now.

jivalax wrote:You have made your position clear. Good luck in all that you do. I have no reason to discuss anything further with you.

I will say that until now no one has ever seen me raise a sword to a kami, or kami friend. Bandits are the only NPC I have ever killed. That will probably change now.

You might not of, but members of the guild you lead did. Your asking me not to hold you and the guild responcible for the actions of some of your members and I refuse to do that.

You can lead a horse to water.... you know the rest.. just like you can tell someone something, but doesn't mean they will listen. Interesting that you would judge a very large group of individuals on the actions of a couple. I personally think that says something about your character and personality. How is it that you can judge a group of 150+ people on the actions of 2 individuals. The actions of your judgement speaks louder than any call to the Kami you have ever made.
I still remain my position that I will not be a dictator of my guild. PF has always been based on having fun, helping others, and free will.

jinari wrote:You can lead a horse to water.... you know the rest.. just like you can tell someone something, but doesn't mean they will listen. Interesting that you would judge a very large group of individuals on the actions of a couple. I personally think that says something about your character and personality. How is it that you can judge a group of 150+ people on the actions of 2 individuals. The actions of your judgement speaks louder than any call to the Kami you have ever made.
I still remain my position that I will not be a dictator of my guild. PF has always been based on having fun, helping others, and free will.

So far what I have seen of PF is the following:

1) You say you are a neutral guild, you have a much higher Karavan fame than a Kami fame. You attribute that to racial tasks. But if you were truely neutral you would work to bring your Kami fame in balance with the Karavan fame.

2) I have seen the action of some of your members be very hostile against the Kami and their supporters.

3) The leader of PF has told me that he has no say over his members and what they do. And holds no responcibilty for their actions.

So explain to me how I am suppose to look at your guild. So far all I have seen is you say that you are neutral, yet the actions of some of your members show the opposite. I have seen a leader who won't take any sort of action on members for attacking a Kami group. I have heard and seen of the large amount of work you do for the Karavan, but little for the Kami.

I don't get it. If you aren't responcible for the actions of the members of your guild, what are you there for? It's like you are telling me that your only there to be responcible for the good you do, and any bad that happens, that is the members doing and nothing to do with the guild.

If you want me to view your guild as neutral and on no ones side, give me more that words to show me that.

As being one of the members you are constantly slandering on actions, let me explain a few things to you, so that you can comprehend the actions here in.

A) In our Matis Missions, the Sargents have asked us to kill certain cults that are a threat to the Matis nation, 6 different ones from one sargent in particular, of these 6, one of them is the Sacred Sap, who have been tagged as bandits, for what ever reason.

By definition:

In the Glasgow area, any thing, person, or event that causes pain or outrage may be referred to as a bandit, especially in exclamations such as ya bandit!.
http://www.britannia.org/scotland/scotsdictionary/b.shtml

B) The actions of the few do not outweigh the decisions of the many, now, understand that the GUILD as a whole is neutral, meaning we accept all races, all beliefs into the guild, which such a colorful veriety, you can and should expect pockets of aggression to one side or the other.

C) Free Will, we play this game as we see fit, we do not put down any single individual for any reason, however, we play the game as the game allows us to play, in this case, there are missions that we do that ask us to kill certain class of npc's to complete the mission to learn more about it or whatever.

D) (and you should know this one) Roleplayers, I am a roleplayer, not many are, and as such, I will roleplay what my character was created with and what my race requires of me. I would roleplay a Zoria with there belief if I created one, same with Tryker, and Fyros.

As a guild leader, you placed your guild in roleplay between Sacred Sap and the Matis who are doing the missions, and you stated it was your guild, not you as an individual roleplayer, so the roleplaying aspect of that is that your guild is taking what the Sacred Sap by definition in game are doing, as ok with you, and you will protect that.

I am very fine with you personally attacking every single Karavan encampment with your guild, and roleplaying it as a counter to us doing missions that cause us to kill Kami followers, this can be played on in roleplay, especially from several angles.

Actually I personally would much preffer you did this, because it would further intrench your factions to the Kami side on the propper faction lists and cause you to become KOS to the Karavan tribes.

I do not take the actions of 1 of your members to mean that is how your guild as a whole would or could or even should act, I only take the actions of you as the leader, stating that what you say is how your guild has decided to act on the actions, as how your guild is being run.

I enjoy the roleplaying aspect you are bringing to the game, and I appreciate the fact you created the guild to be a strong KAMI RP guild.

I rather enjoy our /roleplay spats, to me its further defining the game.

Just don't take it on a personal level and state that what I say, as a member of the guild, represents the entire of the guild, because this is how I am playing to have fun, and by creating your guild, in the meer definition of your guild, has opened this door for further improvement in storyline IMO.

Your guild is Kami aligned, following the Kami Docterine as defined in the texts.

Our guild is Neutral in the fact that the guild does not align itself with either Kami or Karavan, but instead allies itself with all races, the guild as a whole does not think either the Kami or Karavan should be trusted.

Personally, roleplaying my character as a Karavan follower is a personal choice, most of my general actions are persuaded by general guild commitments, but each person is also an individual, like yourself, and will play there character in the fassion they see fit.

Our leader is not a dictator, nor does Jiva try to force actions down our throats that would not allow us to play they way we want to that makes us happy

Even with all this said, I hope MANY people join your guild and follow your leadership and your ways, I think its building up nicely in roleplay.

Maybe this is where I am getting mixed signals. I was under the impression that the guild as a whole was roleplaying into the scenario. Not that every member was, but that the organization itself was. I thought this because of the leaders coments about the sitution at hand. From what you had just read, it sounds as if you are telling me to ignore your guild when it comes to roleplaying. That doesn't mean ignore the people in it, nor to ignore their actions. But in general when someone from PF does something, to treat it as if PF does not exist.

As for taking things to a personal level, that wasn't my intention. My questioning the leadership wasn't questioning the player as a leader, it was questioning the leader as a character. One thing I really hope everyone keeps in mind that roleplays with me, it's never about you as a person. It's never about you as a player. It's all about the character you are playing. So if I call you a Matis genetic misfit, I'm calling your character that, not you.

Finally I'm not the leader of my guild and I didn't start it. Karena is and she is the one who started it. That doesn't mean I didn't have a say in things nor does is it mean the guild won't be active as I have been. There are currently only 3 of us. My actions here are an attempt to actually get our roleplaying guild, roleplaying. Right now it just seems as if I am the leader because I'm the most vocal and the one most likely to react.

One more thing that I want to bring up. I have been told that my roleplay style and the fact that I am exteremly vocal might turn people off from joining our guild. I hope that isn't the case. The Kult of Kamis real purpose is simple, to roleplay to make the story come to life. It is not a guild that plans to sit around leveling all the time. It's not a guild that is there to just make it so people have friends in game (thought that certainly is a part of it). It's all about getting into a character role and making things happen. So if you can get into the role of playing a true follow of the Kami, one who will react to the wiping out of a camp, please join us. Do you have to be vocal like I am? No. You just have to want to make the story happen.

Sometimes the way you protray things is very confusing at times, but that is part of your nature - As far as my guilds leadership, they are great leaders, and I will just leave it at that - along with the rest can be hashed out elsewhere

To everyone, yes, PLEASE join his guild if you are a Kami follower that likes roleplaying, I have a solid belief that through his guild, the Kami roleplay development will become something great!

I look forward to the Kult of Kami population to grow 100 fold in the coming months, and strong Kami alignment and actions coming from the guild, I think it is going to be a blast to roleplay against you folks.

To me, the roleplaying actions of this guild has added to my game play already.