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borg9 wrote:I do find it quite amazing that to grind you use the best mats available in the game! I won't critise you, if you want to do it that fine by me.

I don't however understand your logic ... 4 lands each with huge areas that are aggro free and provide great mats for grinding, shops full of animal mats, animals packed with animal mats for grinding.

Is it just me or is the idea of grind 100's of choice/excellent/supreme mats to get a lvl of craft see kind of wasteful. A bit like drying your dishs on a silk scarf!

Ho hum .... I used to feel kinda bad grinding on choice mats, but thats me.

hehe an excellent point !

this is again pointing to risk vs reward

you get more xp when you extract ex and sup

you sell grinded gear for more money

but it is not a neccessity to craft every item for every point of xp, using pr mats

helbreat wrote:lol i guess you have only been lvling your prime roots recently then?

2-3 months ago i walked in to pr and it was an evil wonderland exc/supreme mats everywhere and they spawned and depleted like town spawns except there is a shed load of agro and seasons and weather to contend with....

now we have all the same problems to deal with from before except they have added more, increased damage since patch 1..... then they have made it so you need a 100q stanza to dig supreme mats from a 150q source 150q stanza to dig supreme from a 200q source and 200q stanza to dig supreme in a 250q area empty resources and pvp

so i guess you can understand why im a bit annoyed when you say i want to just walk in to wonderland..... as i did walk in to wonderland and then it was taken away

and risk v's reward? lol dont make me laugh the reward has been the same since day one in prime roots its only the risks getting worse and the rewards getting lower..... if they wanted to reward us for all the extra risks they should be making more mats not lowering the ammount we can get

hmm seems youre being tripped up by the very nature of mmorpg's, and one of the reasons i love them so

they CHANGE

borg9 wrote:I do find it quite amazing that to grind you use the best mats available in the game! I won't critise you, if you want to do it that fine by me.

I simply do not care about excellent or supreme, I just want material to level my craft. Like said, I wish someone would've said to me that there will be a point where all the material in prime root is going to be limited when I decided to harvest full-time there, so I could've chosen otherwise.

So, you suggesting I pick my other ecosystem forage at 51-60 and take it to the 210 so I can level my craft? That's the remedy for this aye?

//edit: Oh and vendors full of animal parts for armors over q200 you say?

lootking wrote: correct me if im wrong, but you get pr spec bricks at 150 in any harvest line

so, you surely have a line over 150, or what the heck are ya doin in pr ?

if you do have a line over 150, you can finish your pattern with resin from there

Your point here eludes me a bit. Want to clarify?

I surely have "a line" over 150, and that's in prime roots. I have a line over 200 in prime roots as well. But finish my pattern with resin from where exactly?

I'm a prime root forager by choice, but when I did my choices this wasn't something I was informed about, the limitation that is. And I've taken my craft hand in hand with my foraging in pr and now suddenly I'm forced to basically start foraging all over again. I hope you do understand my gripe here.

MMORPGs change yes, but I'm sure you have a solid idea how long does it take to level 160 levels in forage? I'd take my pick to the forest and start leveling that up, no problems there, if I would not be a crafter over 200 and have one existing forage tree at those levels as well. It's very discouraging, to say the least.

borg9 wrote:I do find it quite amazing that to grind you use the best mats available in the game! I won't critise you, if you want to do it that fine by me.

I don't however understand your logic ... 4 lands each with huge areas that are aggro free and provide great mats for grinding, shops full of animal mats, animals packed with animal mats for grinding.

Is it just me or is the idea of grind 100's of choice/excellent/supreme mats to get a lvl of craft see kind of wasteful. A bit like drying your dishs on a silk scarf!

Ho hum .... I used to feel kinda bad grinding on choice mats, but thats me.

Youve missed the point Borg9 , if he wants to be able to use supreme (roots) mats in his highest q armour he has to keep lvling roots harvest (otherwise sooner or later his craft quality will outstrip his root harvesting), he said in his post hed be happy if there was basic/fine root mats to grind on

lootking wrote:ok, so youre saying you solely rely on pr mats to level your heavy armor

correct me if im wrong, but you get pr spec bricks at 150 in any harvest line

so, you surely have a line over 150, or what the heck are ya doin in pr ?

if you do have a line over 150, you can finish your pattern with resin from there

lol you talk about lvls too much and point at your over sized full of nonesense signiture

Eshin has only one harvesting skill over 150 and thats prime root since up till 4 weeks ago there was never any shortage of materials in prime roots now even the choice dissapear for ages at a time, and i would guess its probably over 200 skill i would also guess his armour crafting skill is to match it so he knows about grinding skills

relying on high class materials is what every good crafter should do i mean just look at sky's swords for instance 22-23 hpm isnt very good ( not skys fault btw lakelands dont offer supreme materials) where with prime root supreme/exc mats you can get up to 28 speed maybe more with supreme mob mats

i use the mats i get from prime roots for guild weapons and weapons i sell on the vendor i never use bad materials to craft with unless im selling it to the npc or close to an important lvl other than that all mats i use are choice or above but Eshin and others who havnt leveld there skills outside of pr due to them making it so that people dont have to rely on other areas have to suffer. they cant change it this far in to the game and not expect it to cause problems

Go neun..

Hardly a pr forager myseld (lvl 53), but i know that if pr get the way u hu.. uncontent people want it, everybody and their cat will be aquiped with supreme stuff... That is not what is intended. Pr forage, imo, is meant to be a side skill if u are a crafter (not if u are only harvester, then only pr forage makes all the sense). Its like gucci bags, rolex's and ferraris, u only get one if u can aford it... besides if everyone had a ferrari, it woudlnt be special would it?

2 cents.. not enough for the ferrari, but hey

~Sipos~

I don't forage much in PR, but I have done some and I've found areas where there are lots of mats seemingly all the time and some where there were none.

The thing I wanted to mention is that I've been wondering whether this empty sources idea is actually intended. The reason I say this is because you get a message to tell you there is no content in the source. I may be wrong, but I think that if you get a message telling you something's happening, then it's an expected event, even error messages are planned. If the source was empty and there was no indication of that, then I would definately think it a bug, but the fact there is a specific message telling you there is no content in the source makes me suspect otherwise.

So maybe something is being planned for PR sources, something we don't know about yet, similar to the first few invasions where we got Kitin loot but couldn't do anything about it. Now of course we know it's to trade in for tokens. Perhaps in future there will be a way for high level PR foragers to somehow refill those empty sources, or prospect them when no-one else can.

Just a thought...

lazarus wrote:I don't forage much in PR, but I have done some and I've found areas where there are lots of mats seemingly all the time and some where there were none.

The thing I wanted to mention is that I've been wondering whether this empty sources idea is actually intended. The reason I say this is because you get a message to tell you there is no content in the source. I may be wrong, but I think that if you get a message telling you something's happening, then it's an expected event, even error messages are planned. If the source was empty and there was no indication of that, then I would definately think it a bug, but the fact there is a specific message telling you there is no content in the source makes me suspect otherwise.

So maybe something is being planned for PR sources, something we don't know about yet, similar to the first few invasions where we got Kitin loot but couldn't do anything about it. Now of course we know it's to trade in for tokens. Perhaps in future there will be a way for high level PR foragers to somehow refill those empty sources, or prospect them when no-one else can.

Just a thought...

it has to be a bug im sure of it heh you can still prospect and find empty sources and you can use deposit track and find them which makes it useless to use in prime roots where you would expect to rely on it

From what I saw from french forums, "empty content" as I call it is intended:
to have PR mats more rare and potentially have guild and ppl doing PvP for PR mats...
PvP....(anyway, back to PR prob...)

I have noe problem against the fact of using higher stanza than my lvl:
187 forest
62 PR.
Having to use q150 extract brick for supreme on sources q200 is kinda fair as its is harder to get extra good mats as low lvl: having to work longer to get good quality mats makes sense..That, I would not change.

Empty content? Nightmare:
PR obviously is a bit of DP..
I wanted to start PR after last patch (unlucky on the timing ) so i tried.
Died once: 200K dp , ok nop..
Found a source start pulling 8-10 q70-80 : 9-10k DP cleared..
half of my DP cleared, what do I get: empty content....
Move to another spot...
If i am lucky I clear DP before empty content if not I move to another spot...
AND THEN....
200K DP.., oops didnt saw that varinx...

I simply cant lvl PR with this empty content decision ...

Keep High stanza for Supreme Mats YES
Make Exc n Supreme a bit more rare (season) YES
Empty content...........NO.

And I really need to work PR soon: im nearly at end of forest forage

I think in the short term Eshin's suggestion of limiting the exc/sup but leaving choice alone would make all the pr foragers a lot happier. At least we would be able to get something for our troubles, it's incredibly frustrating to port there and spend an hour or 2 prospecting empty sources

Havent done the poll as i dont find an option i agree with. The quantites of PR mats do need to be limited - I think that minimum level requirements have done that, the additional aggro thats there now is a bit OTT but still acceptable, popping empty sources all the time is not.

The devs obviously have a plan, i think that we the players give them a lot of grief without looking at the big picture (myself included ) but they need to start comminicating more openly and not pushing through these stealth nerfs.