WHY?!?!?!?!??!??!!?? (Patch 27 woes)

[oddie]

ummm, seems i remember reading that something happens when you die 10 times in a row and dont recover any life, i dont remember what. but that seems possible only if you are way out there and over your head.

[dpi209]

i know that... but what is THE MAXIMUM one can get in the whole game? if you just kept on dieing....

Should be round about 4,5 Million DP, I assume.

[borg9]

Should be round about 4,5 Million DP, I assume.

Max DP is and has been for along time 10xXP required to get to you next highest level.

I believe the MAX Max DP is a char of lvl250 around 2.5 mill (please confirm with a lvl 250 player).

I am level 130 Lake and I get 84k DP per death ... max DP is 840k for me.

It takes 4-5 good pulls to clear one death, 1600xp (DP value 21k), so it takes 40-50 pulls (about 40 mins) to clear.
I have found that using other skills has changed (not sure when) but a 3k mob kill got me a DP value of 16k, and I am a level 68 Fighter.

Never had an issue with DP or its mechanics .... I die get a penalty .... I go and work it off.

Hope this helps

[zumwalt]

When my max level of a skill was 70, I was able to get 3.4 million dp, I think it has to do with adding all of your skill levels together rather than your highest level in a single skill.

I could be wrong, but even then, I was able to continue to build dp, took me a while to work that off harvesting.

[borg9]

When my max level of a skill was 70, I was able to get 3.4 million dp, I think it has to do with adding all of your skill levels together rather than your highest level in a single skill.

I could be wrong, but even then, I was able to continue to build dp, took me a while to work that off harvesting.

whats you lvl 70 in ?

are you sure you get 340,000 DP points per death?

The XP requirements on different skills are not the same.

I don't think (can never be sure in this game) its to do with adding skill levels (lvl 68 fight/lvl30 magic/lvl 111 craft/lvl 130 forage) my DP per death only rises when I gain a lvl in forage.

[iphdrunk]

When my max level of a skill was 70, I was able to get 3.4 million dp, I think it has to do with adding all of your skill levels together rather than your highest level in a single skill.

I could be wrong, but even then, I was able to continue to build dp, took me a while to work that off harvesting.

Hi all,

IIRC,
Some facts

* DP is computed taking into account only your highest skill.
a lvl 200 fighter will get around 280k on first death

* Max DP is reached after 10 deaths.

* Max DP for a lvl 250 skill after 10 deaths - 4.5 million

* You can use any skill to remove DP, as long as it gives you XP. The DP points you substract are computed

XP you gained using that skill * (skill level/10)

* Dying just before the action that would get rid you of DP (e.g. dying by explosion of the last pull) is worse that getting rid of DP and just dying then.


Some myths:
- you don't necessarily have to use your highest skill to remove DP. Some secondary branches may be better if the above formula result is higher (true, imo, I don't use my highest skill to get rid of DP)

- DP takes into account all skills (false, It is based on highest skill only)


Common practice
- some players with a lot of dappers would rather craft heavy helmets given the fact that they want to get rid of DP faster and they can get money selling the items.

- Some other players would not craft while in DP since they consider it a waste of mats.

- Before patch 1 changes, it was very easy and fast to get rid of DP while getting 3k harvesting even at highest levels provided you could go to the appropriate sources. I still remove DP harvesting, at least you gather the mats

- If your harvesting skill is high enough, best common practice seems to be to remove DP harvesting, since you remove DP points at a rate of 1.5k/2k per pull (at the lowest source time) * (lvl/10)


Hope this helps,

Anissa

[xcomvic]

thanks everyone for the input on DP

[vguerin]

Should be round about 4,5 Million DP, I assume.

That is probably pretty close, my highest skill is level 230 and my DP is 381K per death.

Iphdrunk's post a couple above mine has all the related info...

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[zumwalt]

Some facts

* DP is computed taking into account only your highest skill.
a lvl 200 fighter will get around 280k on first death
Unconfirmed

* Max DP is reached after 10 deaths.
Wrong, I was over 13 deaths and still got 40k dp a death

* Max DP for a lvl 250 skill after 10 deaths - 4.5 million
Wrong, again, I can continue to get DP after 10 deaths, or atleast I could from patch 25 on backwards

* You can use any skill to remove DP, as long as it gives you XP. The DP points you substract are computed

XP you gained using that skill * (skill level/10)
Wrong, skill level has nothing to do with it, its more along the lines of Exp gained * 7 or expgained * 8, not skill level, if I get 500 exp from a kill that means I get about 3500 dp, not 5000, its a flat formula based on gained experience.

* Dying just before the action that would get rid you of DP (e.g. dying by explosion of the last pull) is worse that getting rid of DP and just dying then.
Wrong, you have a total DP counter, no matter when you die, you get dp based on the same formula, if you have 40k dp, and you have regained 39,550 dp, and you die in an explosion, you will have to work off 40,050 dp, which is the remainder (50dp) + the new 40,000 dp, and the system will STATE you have 80,000 dp of which you have recovered 39,550 dp, always been this way)

Some myths:
- you don't necessarily have to use your highest skill to remove DP. Some secondary branches may be better if the above formula result is higher (true, imo, I don't use my highest skill to get rid of DP)
You can use any skill that gains you exp, the amound of dp removed is based on a flat formula where you gain exp and it converts to removal of DP, so in other words, use your weakest skills that gain you the max exp.

- DP takes into account all skills (false, It is based on highest skill only)
False, if I level a lower skill 1 level, my dp I get on a kill is raised, if I raise a high skill, the dp I get on a kill is raised, the percent it is raised is based on the level of the skill, so a level 10 warrior, 5 caster is a total of 15 levels to put into the dp, this is something I have tested, simply because if you are a level 110 warrior, and just start out leveling harvesting, you die and get around 80k dp to begin with, if you gain a few levels in harvesting, you will notice when you die, that your dp will raise, test it yourself.

Common practice
- some players with a lot of dappers would rather craft heavy helmets given the fact that they want to get rid of DP faster and they can get money selling the items.
False assumption, this only works IF you get exp while crafting that level of item, you MUST get exp for DP to be removed

- Some other players would not craft while in DP since they consider it a waste of mats.
true and false, why waste the exp for crafting on dp

- Before patch 1 changes, it was very easy and fast to get rid of DP while getting 3k harvesting even at highest levels provided you could go to the appropriate sources. I still remove DP harvesting, at least you gather the mats
True, and anyway its easier to solo harvest off dp sometimes unless your in a very good hunting party.

- If your harvesting skill is high enough, best common practice seems to be to remove DP harvesting, since you remove DP points at a rate of 1.5k/2k per pull (at the lowest source time) * (lvl/10)
False, it is NOT lvl/10, never has been, its more along the lines of exp * 7 or exp * 8, again this is provable

This was a very bad post, not very fact driven, and everything about it can be misproven. Please go out, gain levels in lower skills, and die, look at the amount of dp you get, test everything I have posted about dp, you will see that it is not based on max level /10.

[zumwalt]

When I get home tonight from work, I'll go ahead and die, record my exact dp, document all my levels here for you, then recover the DP by using different skills and document every skill level and the dp regained for you, then after I get all that documented, I'll empty the dp, then gain a level in any skill other than my highest, then I will repeat the process and record it for you and post the results, this way we can get rid of these myths about how dp works.

I have no problem dieing to get dp for this process.