Re: Results of Linux Contest and Mektoubs Races

[mereset]

You keep saying the same thing over and over
and it doesnt make it any more than false claims
Lots of people dont like it? is only you and 2 others
posting. thats your standard for Lots of people?

I say a Million of people dont like others telling
them how to play Ryzom. Do we have a million
players on ryzom? of course not but just is an
example that saying something and not having
proof to back it up is only your opinion with
made up stuff to back it up.

Play the game with your feet, eyes close i
dont really care but stop saying everyone will
leave the game when you dont know that for
a fact.

[Yumeroh]

Hi everyone

Something I wanted to clarify about using alt. It is absolutely not forbidden to use multiple accounts at once, but on Rule 14 of the Charter of Use. You can see that it's TOTALLY FORBBIDEN to use a 3rd party software that makes the normal game easier to play.

14. RULES OF BEHAVIOR OF RYZOM
You acknowledge that the proper functioning and success of an Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game such as Ryzom and/or Ryzom Ring depends on a delicate balance which Winch Gate Property Limited has to maintain. The User is therefore strictly forbidden: (a) to use any program or method to change the content or functionalities of the MMORPG; (b) to cause the server to be overloaded; (c) to use any procedure to make it easier to obtain any instruction faster than through the ordinary course of play ; (d) to modify the user interface or any other component in order to obtain objects, experience points, currency, characters' attributes, ranks, etc., other than as the result of proper normal use of the MMORPG; (e) to buy, sell or transfer MMORPG characters or their attributes. Furthermore, the User must at all times observe the Code of Conduct, the Courtesy Policies and the Ryzom Naming Charter displayed on the MMORPG's website at http://www.ryzom.com, whose contents are hereby declared an integral part of this Contract. We reserve the right to take any emergency measures on your account (including suspending or canceling it) which we think fit, if we believe that your use is contravening the above prohibitions.

So any software that it can make auto keying, or spreading keypresses into multibox is forbidden and will be dealt with by our team. So if CSR have conclusive evidence, or witness such activities all accounts concerned can be subject to sanctions

About the name policy, we are always revisiting various game policies, and character player renames will still be on CSR discretion.

[ajsuk]

General Outpost Rules:
No CSR will be present at outpost battles under normal circumstances.

See the conflict here? Cahonies, get dem!

[Yumeroh]

Ok Clarify bis cause by pm box is full now , A part of these rules, about allowing use of 3 party software was misunderstood. It was partialy a mistake of our team to let you use them in the past. We needed to investigate these programs because we did not know what they do exactly. Now we know, and they are absolutely not autorized. All software that can make your ingame gameplay easier than the original software is forbidden, and I don't mean about voice programs like Teamspeak. We regret the confusion and misunderstandings this has caused, and the impact it has had on the Arispotle server and I apologize for this.

[fiach]

I remember "back in the day", "botting" was taken very seriously, with lots of people getting hit with the ban-hammer for periods of time (I'm not aware that any perma bans were issued).

GM's used various techniques to see if you were botting, I remember being in PR, digging, when suddenly a sea of green popped up all around me called ..... kincher dung!

I imagine it was a GM, to see if I would leave my digging spot to investigate it ..... which I did btw

I have never botted in my life ever, but I have been in guilds notorious for botting, it's seriously embarassing when a guild leader is banned for botting lol

I can see why people do it currently, its hard to level in the current climate on Ryzom and it is a means to an end, that circumvents the current challenges the game is facing, if there were no alt accounts, tbh there would be nobody here.

As regards the third party enhancement programmes, well they are illegal in all games, with many MMO's disabling logins, if they sense any third party programmes running, but people always seem to find a way around these things.

I can understand Sherks analogy with a plod hunt, some of the most fun was had when they cloned unexpectedly and through sheer determination, respawns and rezzes you eventually triumphed and won the day and had a big laugh over different incidents that occured throughout the battle. But if there is no danger, then yes, I can see how it just feels like factory work to increase levels

In the end its down to player honesty, if you know its illegal and you still do it, then all other arguments are irrelevant, it doesnt matter who it helps, or how it benefits Ryzom financially. WG are willing to forgo any financial benefits from something like this, because they have deemed it illegal and thereby are willing to let the game stand or fall on its own merits, rather than allow something like this to enhance some players experience.

But I imagine policing something like this is beyond the dev's and GM's resources, who in all fairness have been very good at allowing the player base to police themselves (with varying degrees of success), but as it has been so prevalent for so long and all that can be done is to post a disclaimer from the ToS saying its "forbidden", then that nails their colours to the mast, then basically its down to player discretion, it will continue as long as people get away with it.

Is it a good or bad thing? Well as I said before, if it wasnt done, Ryzom would be gone by now.

[hemera]

Ok Clarify bis cause by pm box is full now , A part of these rules, about allowing use of 3 party software was misunderstood. It was partialy a mistake of our team to let you use them in the past. We needed to investigate these programs because we did not know what they do exactly. Now we know, and they are absolutely not autorized. All software that can make your ingame gameplay easier than the original software is forbidden, and I don't mean about voice programs like Teamspeak. We regret the confusion and misunderstandings this has caused, and the impact it has had on the Arispotle server and I apologize for this.

Well you still dont seem understand what they do and that your basically banning the use of more then two accounts at once.

Multi boxing
First things first, what is Multi boxing?

Multi boxing is the action of controlling multiple accounts from a central point, where each key press results in a single action or macro on all your accounts.

It is important to note this 1 to 1 relation. It's this relation that separates multi boxing from botting. Bots combine multiple actions into a single key press



From what you are saying. "All software that can make your ingame gameplay easier than the original software is forbidden"

i use windows 7 which allows me to run multiple clients on one computer. so should i go out and buy many computers because ryzom was made to be played on one computer?

i can See all my clients on two monitors. no alt tabbing needed and i can control them with one mouse and keyboard, should i buy many monitors and keyboards?

Zyroom makes my gameplay easier i dont have to log into my many guild halls to check whats in them, you gave a prize to the person who made it.
zyRoom, Client-Side Inventory App
http://zyroom.misulud.fr/index.php/zyroom.74.html


kipeecraft makes my gameplay easier because i don't have to open a craft window.
Kipeecraft, Arcueid's Crafting Sim App
http://www.puyo.de/KC/


you better ask websites like balistix mystic and many others to be taken down because they all make your game play easier than the original software.


"to use any program or method to change the content or functionalities of the MMORPG" - multiboxing program does not do this. in no way does it change any part of the game.

" to use any procedure to make it easier to obtain any instruction faster than through the ordinary course of play" - multiboxing programs do not do this as, everything is done with ingame macros.

You wouldn't be able to tell the difference between single players using ingame macros nuking of one persons target or a multi boxer.

These programs designed for multi boxing in mind which allow a player to MANUALLY issue the same command to multiple game clients . the player must be MANUALLY sending the commands; the program ISN'T automating those commands for you. Creating in-game macros and binding these to keybinds is also allowed.

If you feel that you need to ban multiboxing then you are the first mmo in the history on online games to do so.

Please take your time to read some of the following links because there are many other main stream games in the world that allow players to multibox.

http://www.cumps.be/en/Blog/Read/multib ... troduction

http://multiboxing.com/forums/f38/multi ... -3078.html


http://www.dual-boxing.com/wiki/index.p ... versations


As i stated above there is no way you or any GM would be able to tell the difference between a well organised team of players, nuking of one persons target and a multiboxer.

The only people complaining on these forums and sending email's to you are the ones who can't afford the amount of funding needed and are jealous of others who can.

This is negative publicity for a game that has no publicity at all.


Multi boxing is the natural result of not being able to finding enough poeple to online. Unless you can market the game and give it more publicity

These programs Are the same as click on each screen and pressing a key to run a IN GAME MACRO, they DO NOT automate your characters actions for you.

[killgore]

I have a alt. I don't use any outside program. My understanding was always use of any third party software to make playing easier was against the TOS.Sher you have elequently stated the feeling of many of us.I'm sorry I didn't read this thread sooner so you,Jayce and lala were alone here. It was never my intention that this would become a flamefest.My intention was if the devs allowed this practice to be legal then Ryzom was no longer the place for me. I would unsub give my reason and disappear into the ether. I think noone would ever have complained about the alt army if it hadn't been used to gain signifigant advantages. If the devs want BM to take down our website we would of course do so. It is after all their game. This will be my only post on this matter.Flame on .

[mereset]

All software that can make your ingame gameplay easier than the original software is forbidden, and I don't mean about voice programs like Teamspeak.

This clearly say ALL. not choose whatever you think is k to use.


Multiboxing is been around a while and this only became an issue
because a couple have nothing else to rant on the forums at the
moment. wait a couple weeks and something else will be the rant
topic to those losers that cant handle defeat.

[kalindra]

So any software that it can make auto keying, or spreading keypresses into multibox is forbidden and will be dealt with by our team. So if CSR have conclusive evidence, or witness such activities all accounts concerned can be subject to sanctions

This is exactly the problem that we have been whining/crying/complaining about. And the real trolls had no other arguments to defend their cause than insults to throw around and unrelated shenanigans.

Of course, I do not wield a ban hammer, and it is not my duty to prove that such softwares have been in use but :

the action of controlling multiple accounts from a central point, where each key press results in a single action or macro on all your accounts.

is either a misinterpretation of what multi-boxing is supposed to be, or an admission to multi-synching characters. Or both. It is not botting, but it is not legal either. Sorry about that.

I did my best to remain polite and use purely logic in my arguments. I effectively ignored the flames/insults/shenanigans in order to explain my point as clearly as I could. But some wouldn't understand no matter how clearly I said it.

I guess until people take video proofs of the Artificially Synchronised Hominoids (A.S.H.) being used, the CSRs won't be able to do much unless they ninja stalk the OP battles themselves to catch the ASH squads red-handed.

Either that or an integrated system that monitors simultaneous actions from accounts using the same IP address. No limitation on the number of accounts that can be logged in at once... but if they all receive the same command within the same split second, the monitor will log a report. I don't know how doable that thing is. It's pure abstract theory to me as I'm not a programmer. But it would be very hard to deny as a proof.