Re: Results of Linux Contest and Mektoubs Races

ajsuk · Post by **ajsuk** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:12 am

All the hippys throwing your toys out of the pram because you don't understand, as usual. It's not skill, it's botting. Which drives away people, doing more damage to the community than a few extra dappers from these sad-acts can compensate for. Shame the tools at the top can't grasp that concept.

A simple restriction on simultaneous logins during battles only would suffice and have minimum impact on the way most upstanding people use alts. And it's not all about greed btw, maybe we just want to play a significant part of the game fairly.

dianiru · Post by **dianiru** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:13 pm

ajsuk wrote:It's not skill, it's botting.

I'll just +1 this part to make this absolutely clear against the re-interpretation of our reason into something that's easily ridiculed. We are not talking about good samaritans subbing alts to help keep the game alive, we are talking about people using third party software to gain unfair advantages.

There is nothing unreasonable about withdrawing support from a game you no longer enjoy, nor about telling the people in charge what would need to be changed for you to enjoy it again. Any change to the game is always going to displease some other players in turn - that hardly makes pushing for the change 'harassment'.

And I too can say that I know many others who share my thoughts but are hesitant to post because they want to avoid the drama. And many others more who shared my thoughts but are already long gone for this reason amongst others. I wouldn't be making it up either.

ajsuk · Post by **ajsuk** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:19 pm

Yes, I did consider this after. Seems like the PvP-flagging system would be the ideal place to add such a mechanism. Limiting to 2 or 3 accounts as you say.

Furthermore if they can be bothered they could add more measures to detect foul play, especially comparing input patterns between those simultaneous logins.

And yes, by far the simplest solution would be for the devs to actually grow some cahonies, quit worrying about upsetting a few kiddies and let the CSR team do their job, attend outpost battles again and BAN perpetrators.

mereset · Post by **mereset** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:39 pm

Limit playing accounts logins per day

even you have to admit is just plain stupid

i can believe Lala thinks is a good idea tho
so thanks for making LOL'ed in RL

far easier way to implement is consensual pvp
so if you dont like it dont participate in it.

oh nevermind lol..

kalindra · Post by **kalindra** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:28 pm

To summarize what I said above : yes to alts, no to 3rd party softwares to control them.
I also said that using all those alts to help me level my pike didn't make the leveling more FUN for me... very highly efficient, sure, but taking all the challenge away from the plods makes them horribly boring. They could clone tenfolds and it wouldn't add to the difficulty. Something's wrong there... I'm sure the devs didn't intend the game to be played that way.

Harassing ? Very misused word, here. I have the right to express my opinion and the way I see things. I also said that I LIKE the people in TI... but I can't approve their way of DOING things. They used to use alts the way alts are supposed to be used... I can't say it's still the case anymore... that's called backstabbing ? I can say your insanity is not so temporary and very short sighted.

I sound like Kilgore ? Maybe. Probably because I agree with him on most points. Is that supposed to be insulting or something ? I must remind you that BM and TI used to be friends despite being from opposed factions before hell broke loose... all this because of NPC bosshunts and Outposts ? Gotta admit, it's a bit ridiculous. Who caused it ? I don't care. We're not in elementary school here... at least, I hope we aren't.

Also, I must remind you that no sane faction would want TPM on their side, because TPM only takes and doesn't give much if anything in return. They are consistently known for screwing factions over and switching sides if you don't give them whatever they want on a silver platter. Then they leave Atys blaming the game, the devs, the community and whatnot for not letting them "win". I've seen them do it at least 2 times, now. Can't say I'll miss them.

I see all the fear and despair this puppet master (ok, they are not bots... they are artificially synchronized hominoids : SAME DIFFERENCE) software brought to Atys and when I express it, I get flamed because I'm supposedly against the use of alts... and too scared to go in PR... however that's supposed to be related. You are wrong, now learn to read !

I don't think Teamspeak or Ventrilo ever brought such a feeling of unfairness because it absolutely doesn't let you control 9 characters at once in a single keyclick. Once you speak the command, the 8 other people need to hear it and individually act accordingly... or not. It's definitely not the same thing and the difficulty is certainly not the same in practice. The voice chat and alt controller softwares are not equivalent. Using one to justify the other is an insult to common intelligence.

Multiboxing in PvP ? No problem, IF the alts are manipulated individually by the player, which requires real skills. Artificial synchronisation by the use of a third party software is the only real issue.

What if we asked the devs for EMP ammo that paralyzes the artificially controlled alts ? Then you would all cry about unfairness, wouldn't you ?

trueshot · Post by **trueshot** » Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:19 pm

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mereset · Post by **mereset** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:33 am

You Dont even Pvp Sherk

and claiming people will leave because of this is the same
as people will leave if they change whatever you few are
crying about with nothing to prove your claim is just you
stating something you dont like and making up stuff to
validate it.

I still say limit account logins is just so idiotic
am amazed people are still talking about this.

If you leave the game
can i have your stuff my alt can make good use of it.

kalindra · Post by **kalindra** » Tue Jan 18, 2011 4:45 am

Only reason I stopped PvPing is that battles are always when I'm at work or at school. Your argument is invalid. I have PvPed before, and it was great fun. Now where is that fun gone ?

Use as many alts as you can by controlling them manually, you used to be able to, did you forget how it's done ? What the hell happened while I was gone ?

I said, no matter who uses the Keysynch, I would still be against. It just takes a major chunk of the fun away from the game for a lot of people. I heard some people say that multiboxing is fun and challenging when you're doing it manually... and I do think multiboxing requires talent. Keysynch takes all that away.

Then why artificial synch ? Why the NEED for artificial synching ? And why the need to take everything I say, bend it over backwards and deform its original meaning ? Because you refuse to admit that something that gives you an effortless advantage could be wrong and do more harm to the people around you than any good it provides. In other words... you are addicted to the power it gives you.

The fact that other people do it too doesn't make it any more right. It doesn't justify anything.

In older times, this wouldn't have been an issue... the use of third party macro software that interacts with the game was simply forbidden. It wasn't even a question of playstyle. And the word playstyle wouldn't have been accepted as an excuse to justify it either.