The DP system should really be done away with. This is why...

[razorfang]

okk I may not agree with everything you say, razorfang but there was no cause for the outburst from ghost. That was uncalled for. you have valid thoughts, I guess I love Ryzom so much I roll with it all. I am just a casual player.

I apologize Razorfang for the uncalled post. That is not what our community is about.

You are right on a lot of counts, I just don't want to face it maybe and since I am Dpqueen, DP is not a problem. I buy one of those skull thingys and go with the flow.

Well thanks

It's ok though, I would not judge a community by the actions of one person. Plus I've been back and forth from this game to other MMOs over the years so I've seen different stages of development of the community.

[hemera]

lmao................
its just a dp, even at lv 250 you can get rid one one in 5 mins.
Use cats even quicker

[razorfang]

lmao................
its just a dp, even at lv 250 you can get rid one one in 5 mins.
Use cats even quicker

Ah. the infamous Nitrouss. Wondered when you would show up.

Took me over 40 minutes with Cats to get rid of 1 lot of DP.

To get rid of DP as fast as you claim (which is possible, probably a bit longer than 5 minutes though)
1) I'd have to stop what I was doing and move region.
2) I'd have to find a high level team to hunt with (not easy with current population levels). Plus it does not quite sit right with me, joining a team just to get rid of DP.

Then I'd be able to go back to the region I was working in. Seems a lot of hassle for just for dying once.

And ofc I could have called out for a Res, like people do. But by getting a Res you make the whole DP system useless anyway. DP does nothing much other than disrupt game play and although this community might not mind their game play being disrupted needlessly, a lot of other players would.



Not everyone has the luxury of a healing bot Nitrouss, healing bots make everything easier.

[mashed]

i have always considered dp as an aid rather than a hinderance. mostly because if it wasn't there it wouldn't encourage me not to do those stupid things i tend to end up doing

and for when there is no choice but getting dp(trekking through PR) then it helps me gauge how well i got through (or not)

[razorfang]

i have always considered dp as an aid rather than a hinderance. mostly because if it wasn't there it wouldn't encourage me not to do those stupid things i tend to end up doing

and for when there is no choice but getting dp(trekking through PR) then it helps me gauge how well i got through (or not)

Sounds like you don't trust yourself to play sensibly.

If there was no DP I think people would take more calculated risks though which, I don't see as a bad thing. But I don't think people would die for the sake of dying, with one exception maybe to use it as transport to a respawn point.

As for gauging how well you got through PR, you don't need DP to do that. Just count how many times you died.

[acridiel]

And ofc I could have called out for a Res, like people do. But by getting a Res you make the whole DP system useless anyway. DP does nothing much other than disrupt game play and although this community might not mind their game play being disrupted needlessly, a lot of other players would.

I´m sorry, but now I have to really disagree.
My, and probably a lot of people besides, "gameplay" is in no way "interrupted" by someone calling for help.
Sorry again, but if you´re so far gone as to consider someone calling for your help, other than in getting him some more XP, an annoyance, then I have really doubt your previous statements, of not just playing for the XP.

Every other Game has some form of "punishment" for dying. Even WoW has.
Armor depletion.
Alright, its essentially useless once you´ve got enough money, but nevertheless it IS there. Its a front, a fake sense of wrong, but it is there.

And removing something like this would take every sense of excitement from the game in my opinion.
Where´s the excitement in going anywhere if I KNOW for sure there are no consequences whatsoever if I do something stupid?

If there was no DP I think people would take more calculated risks though which, I don't see as a bad thing. But I don't think people would die for the sake of dying, with one exception maybe to use it as transport to a respawn point.

Sorry, that is the most illogical thing I´ve ever heard.
What´s to calculate, if there isn´t any punishment?
If there are no DP, what do you calculate a risk for? Steps taken? Minutes used to get form a to b?
Sorry but that´s ridiculous.

The old saying: "No Risk, No Fun", would become completely obsolete.
I´d go charging alone into any Kitin hive and go BOOM with glee, because I´d know nothing can faze me and there came have absolutely no ill effect of it. So, Yepeekiai MoFo, on to the next stupid thing.

Sorry, but that would ultimately turn the game into an even more boring "grindfest" as some see it already.

And on another note, you´re proposing an "away with cats" standard.
So people would not level so fast.
Means, no more XP than the max. 3k, no help, no bonus.

But, here in this thread you´re proposing in essence an even more heavy bonus.

If there´d be no DP, then there´d be no hindrance in gaining XP, so people would level even faster!
Sorry, but that´s not only illogical, it is not at all thought trough.
You´re just stating things YOU personally don´t like and assume "many others do also".
Even if some might agree with you, sorry to say so, but those haven´t thought this through either.

Many other games out there actively support an extremely selfish outlook on gameing and MMOs specifically.
"Me first and others well behind me.
If I can´t level as fast as is technically possible that a Game is no good.
It´d be even better if I´d level FASTER then officially possible. And everyone who disagrees is just not a good gamer, or is someone I´d rather not play with. So I´ll better play alone, or at best in the company of others who think like me. But it´ll always be ME first!"

I must admit I hate this development and I abhor Games that propose such an approach of themselves. Ryzom ISN`T such a game and of those that play it, just as many as you might think are not contend with it, love it just because of that!

We don´t want Ryzom turned into another cookie-cutter Game.
We WANT it to stay unique and different.
And I for myself DON´T want it full of selfish idiots that think helping someone is a waste of time and who talk 1337 all day just to "save a few more seconds".

Sadly there already are many of this kind of player on Leanon, mostly those new players who come from some certain other games and especially WoW.
They stand idly by, or go on leveling whilst you lie in the mud just a few meters away. And if you even DARE to ask for a res. you´re laughed at, or told to "suck it up, its only DP."
You have no idea how much my ignore list has grown in the last few month.
Someone so rude and so anti-social, to laugh at someone, or call him names, who just wants a few seconds of his precious leveling time is no gamer in my mind. He or she is an @$$hole of the worst sort.

Nuff´said.

Sorry for the rant, but I couldn´t just stand by anymore.

CU
Acridiel

[acridiel]

olololololol

And btw... someone who can´t even spell "lol" correctly isn´t even worth mentioning.

CU
Acridiel

[katriell]

you´re laughed at, or told to "suck it up, its only DP."
<snip>
Someone so rude and so anti-social, to laugh at someone, or call him names, who just wants a few seconds of his precious leveling time is no gamer in my mind. He or she is an @$$hole of the worst sort.

Sounds like how you're treating someone who doesn't want DP any more than a person laying in the mud in-game. I'm inclined to agree with your sentiments on this matter, Acridiel, but I thought this should be pointed out anyway.

The main difference between Razorfang's standpoint and Acridiel's, I tentatively posit, is that Razorfang wants to take the human element out. Instead of leaving the acquisition of DP up to the proximity and hospitality of one's fellow players, Razorfang leaves it up to the game mechanics.

[acridiel]

Sounds like how you're treating someone who doesn't want DP any more than a person laying in the mud in-game. I'm inclined to agree with your sentiments on this matter, Acridiel, but I thought this should be pointed out anyway.

Now, wait a minute.
I neither laughed at him, or called him any names or was otherwise overly rude.
I´m sorry if I (again) seemed rude to some of you, but some things have to be said the way they are. There is no painting them in bright colors just to don´t step on anybodies toes.
And if he´s proposing such a radical statement, he´s surely up to some "not so nice" opposition.

And I´ll never stoop to the level of that other guy

CU
Acridiel

[razorfang]

I´m sorry, but now I have to really disagree.
My, and probably a lot of people besides, "gameplay" is in no way "interrupted" by someone calling for help.
Sorry again, but if you´re so far gone as to consider someone calling for your help, other than in getting him some more XP, an annoyance, then I have really doubt your previous statements, of not just playing for the XP.

I'm sorry too, because reading though your post seems to me you did not read all of mine. Your reply seems more emotive than factual. Yeah, i've run around to give a res also on many occassions. But it's seems to me it's a bit like super hero to the rescue and the community seems to like that. If you had read all my posts you would know that I already said that this game is not really suitable for power-leveling although it could be done with a healing bot but don't really see the point tbh, I only power-level alts in quest driven games.

Every other Game has some form of "punishment" for dying. Even WoW has.
Armor depletion.
Alright, its essentially useless once you´ve got enough money, but nevertheless it IS there. Its a front, a fake sense of wrong, but it is there.

And removing something like this would take every sense of excitement from the game in my opinion.
Where´s the excitement in going anywhere if I KNOW for sure there are no consequences whatsoever if I do something stupid?.

Sounds to me you believe you need punishment so as to learn from your mistakes. I really don't see why that should be the case. As for excitement, if DP is what floats your boat then I can't argue with that.

Sorry, that is the most illogical thing I´ve ever heard.
What´s to calculate, if there isn´t any punishment?
If there are no DP, what do you calculate a risk for? Steps taken? Minutes used to get form a to b?
Sorry but that´s ridiculous.

The old saying: "No Risk, No Fun", would become completely obsolete.
I´d go charging alone into any Kitin hive and go BOOM with glee, because I´d know nothing can faze me and there came have absolutely no ill effect of it. So, Yepeekiai MoFo, on to the next stupid thing.

Sorry, but that would ultimately turn the game into an even more boring "grindfest" as some see it already.

So you are another one that believes they won't play sensibly unless there's some form of punishment in place, try trusting yourself. Only a moron would act in the way you suggest and I don't believe you are that. This seems more of an emotive reply to me.

And on another note, you´re proposing an "away with cats" standard.
So people would not level so fast.
Means, no more XP than the max. 3k, no help, no bonus.

But, here in this thread you´re proposing in essence an even more heavy bonus.

Guess you did not read the thread properly. I'm proposing to do away with Cats because I believe it to be an unfair system, even though this character has pretty much always had access to them. By doubling the xp rate so that it is a fair system to everyone (probably back to the pre-patch 1 rate). But if this was thought to be too quick then double it to 200 and leave the rate as it is from 201 - 250.

If there´d be no DP, then there´d be no hindrance in gaining XP, so people would level even faster!
Sorry, but that´s not only illogical, it is not at all thought trough.
You´re just stating things YOU personally don´t like and assume "many others do also".
Even if some might agree with you, sorry to say so, but those haven´t thought this through either.

Pre-patch 1 people did level faster, the game manufacturer decided people where leveling too quickly. So they brought in patch 1 which slowed leveling down, made mission rewards pretty much a waste of time and increased the cost of NPC materials by quite a bit. Result about half the player base disappeared almost over night. That should tell you something.

Many other games out there actively support an extremely selfish outlook on gameing and MMOs specifically.
"Me first and others well behind me.
If I can´t level as fast as is technically possible that a Game is no good.
It´d be even better if I´d level FASTER then officially possible. And everyone who disagrees is just not a good gamer, or is someone I´d rather not play with. So I´ll better play alone, or at best in the company of others who think like me. But it´ll always be ME first!".

I agree with you the mechanics of some games do lead to selfishness the most successful MMO being one of the worst. Don't think any sensible person would associate quick leveling with a good game ofc it could be, but may also not be. As for power-levelers (me in quest driven games with alts) I level them solo and quickly because there is very little interaction with other players, if they did interact more they would not be power-leveling. Power-leveling is a bit like driving a car along a road you travel all the time, you get to the destination and think oh I don't remember driving here. With Power-leveling your brain is pretty much on automatic at least that's how I find it. Totally not suitable for this game imo.

I must admit I hate this development and I abhor Games that propose such an approach of themselves. Ryzom ISN`T such a game and of those that play it, just as many as you might think are not contend with it, love it just because of that!]".

I don't like those games much, which is probably why I power-level alts in them anyway.

We don´t want Ryzom turned into another cookie-cutter Game.
We WANT it to stay unique and different.
And I for myself DON´T want it full of selfish idiots that think helping someone is a waste of timeand who talk 1337 all day just to "save a few more seconds".

Nor do I, but there's many things in history that were reluctant to change in anyway and they became extinct. Personally I don't want that to happen to Ryzom. After all, Ryzom was the first MMO I ever played.

Sadly there already are many of this kind of player on Leanon, mostly those new players who come from some certain other games and especially WoW.
They stand idly by, or go on leveling whilst you lie in the mud just a few meters away. And if you even DARE to ask for a res. you´re laughed at, or told to "suck it up, its only DP."
You have no idea how much my ignore list has grown in the last few month.
Someone so rude and so anti-social, to laugh at someone, or call him names, who just wants a few seconds of his precious leveling time is no gamer in my mind. He or she is an @$$hole of the worst sort.

Yeah, agreed that game is one of the worst, even some of the nicer players can get corrupted eventually in that games communities. But I blame the game mechanics more for that, that is where that corruption blossoms from.

Nuff´said.

Sorry for the rant, but I couldn´t just stand by anymore.

CU

Acridiel

It's obvious to me you care a lot about the game, but I knew that anyway as I've kept an eye on the forums even when not playing Ryzom, even though I was not able to post anything. But please Acridiel read my post fully before answering.