The DP system should really be done away with. This is why...

[razorfang]

I came back to the game the night of the player event. Whilst playing the wheel I overhead 2 players talking and saying basically that they were not interested in joining the event because they were not interested in collecting DP.

I managed to die yesterday, got 350,000 dp for my trouble and in the area I was in digging I was clearing 7,500 of it at a time (died only once), 15,000 with cats.

So now ofc I'm more reluctant to experiment to avoid gaining DP that will take me hours to get rid of. Which ofc is a bad thing, anything that inhibits exploration, experimentation and participation can not be a good thing.

The most successful MMO of all time (so far) does not have any real DP system to speak of. The majority of people that play MMOs do so to enjoy them not to be punished when your character dies.

When it was busier a few years back constant calls of res please in chat could be and was at times annoying. The only reason to call for a res is and was to avoid the wrath of the DP system.

Just my 2 cents worth, but I really think the game would do better without the DP system.

[ajsuk]

I think I might know who you're talking about there.

I can't speak for my wheel partner, but. You probably shouldn't read too much in to what a jaded old fart like me says anyway. Also, I don't usually have a problem with DP, it makes you think and play harder. To be honest, I just didn't feel like going because I've done it all before, it's usually a frustrating bloodbath because the lairs aren't designed for our -lack of- population, and there's little intensive. (I need the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow)

For new players it's still worth doing just for a laugh, gold or no gold.

[chibiarc]

You might want to check out the http://feedback.ryzom.com page for suggestions, it is more likely the people behind the game read them if posted there. While I agree with most of your points, I suggest you play one more week or two and think about all of it again.

Ryzom is different but not necessarily wrong with it

[razorfang]

You might want to check out the http://feedback.ryzom.com page for suggestions, it is more likely the people behind the game read them if posted there. While I agree with most of your points, I suggest you play one more week or two and think about all of it again.

Ryzom is different but not necessarily wrong with it

Thanks for the suggestion.

One or two weeks to reflect would not change anything as I've played this games for many months (1,000s of hours) over the years.

I would hope that someone does keep an eye on this site though especially as there's not normally that much new to keep track of.

[ghostkpt]

olololololol

[razorfang]

#$% .casual! Go #$% back in your #$% "the most succesful MMO of all time" and rid our game of your #$% presence. God, i hate WoW, that makes every#$% ^$# in the world think, that every game must be similar to WoW. And if not, then this game is wrong.

I never said I liked that game, but it still remains the most successful so far. And no I'm not going to bite at the abuse from you, but if that's the way you normally talk i'll try to avoid you ingame as I'm sure we'll have nothing in common.

[velogfx]

cO tone down ghost... just because his point of view did'nt match yours, mean not automatically you can write stuff like that. you didn't even wrote a valid argument against razorfang's argumentation.

casual? whats wrong about casual? the time of hardcoreplayers is over man. if an mmo game developer adress only to hardcoreplayers wishes they are over. there arent just enough of them you know but the small percentage is also the loudest one. its a balancing act.

[kalindra]

I don't even really care about DP anymore. Triple DP while raiding lairs ? Yeah ? So what ? I had fun raiding that thing. Ryzom isn't only about reaching lvl 250. Once you've mastered a couple essential skills, XP doesn't matter as much anymore. The faster you master skills, the faster you get close to that dreaded moment when you don't know what to do to entertain yourself anymore. And to be honest, I enjoyed the hunt parties more than the XP itself. Because teaming with cool people is... FUN ! But once the skill is mastered, it is no longer wanted in a leveling group.

When I get DP, I just buy a breath of Ma-Duk and take a chill pill. I sit down, chat and relax or dig in a land I already mastered because I need the mats anyways.

Yes I'm crazy. But as I used to say, back when I was on Silan, back when the skills were capped at 21 for free trials, when the only skill I could use to burn DP was craft (OMG, the heresy !) : "Burning DP makes me rich !" And I left Silan with 700k dappers, which is more than most newbs coming to mainland.

@ghost : Your reply is a shame to this community, go hide in a dark hole, please. Answer like yours are exactly what makes us look like elitists jerks to some newbies that run away to never come back. Shame on you !

[razorfang]

I don't even really care about DP anymore. Triple DP while raiding lairs ? Yeah ? So what ? I had fun raiding that thing. Ryzom isn't only about reaching lvl 250. Once you've mastered a couple essential skills, XP doesn't matter as much anymore. The faster you master skills, the faster you get close to that dreaded moment when you don't know what to do to entertain yourself anymore. And to be honest, I enjoyed the hunt parties more than the XP itself. Because teaming with cool people is... FUN ! But once the skill is mastered, it is no longer wanted in a leveling group.

When I get DP, I just buy a breath of Ma-Duk and take a chill pill. I sit down, chat and relax or dig in a land I already mastered because I need the mats anyways.

Yes I'm crazy. But as I used to say, back when I was on Silan, back when the skills were capped at 21 for free trials, when the only skill I could use to burn DP was craft (OMG, the heresy !) : "Burning DP makes me rich !" And I left Silan with 700k dappers, which is more than most newbs coming to mainland.

Yeah, had masters myself in the past. But the fact that you are not generally wanted in teams at 250 does suggest that most people playing are playing to level to get their 250 title. So largely it is about leveling for a lot of people, ok they may not want to level everything to 250 and some are not concerned with leveling much at all as they are fairly happy with what they have and are able to do.

And if you have masters in what you want then DP will not affect you either way.

The reason I opened these 3 threads was because I think Ryzom needs to be made a bit more new player friendly so that they are not so heavily dependant on established players. That does not mean it needs to be radically altered but some tweaking would be necessary (imo ofc).

But I was surprised somewhat (with the lack of population) that people seem to be happy with the status quo. Because I don't think keeping things as the are will help the game survive in fact I think the new owners are doing a good job just keeping it going. And finishing the rites quests won't get people into the game it might keep a few established players happy for 5 minutes.

[memiki]

okk I may not agree with everything you say, razorfang but there was no cause for the outburst from ghost. That was uncalled for. you have valid thoughts, I guess I love Ryzom so much I roll with it all. I am just a casual player.

I apologize Razorfang for the uncalled post. That is not what our community is about.

You are right on a lot of counts, I just don't want to face it maybe and since I am Dpqueen, DP is not a problem. I buy one of those skull thingys and go with the flow.