pvp

[arfindel]

Honestly I believe somebody who plays for a long time rather deserves a title for bing faithful to the game, or option to colour differently some armour, because a veteran is always rewarded by the mere fact he is a vet:
A. he knows perfectly well his skills, managed to combine his perfect combo of used skills
B. Has got the time to get the best gear in game whch takes a huge lot of time after mastering 2+ professions to get

But indeed the Matis arena is very poorly designed. I was trying to take there screenies with fights... one can barely see what's happening from close... besides again the pvp flag has problems there.

Anyway there are unused towns both kami and kara which can be delimited as conflict zones, once in the area you get pvp flagged. This would also allow capital cities pvp free for crafters, newbies etc.

Personally I'd like to replace kami and karas with the national flags (of course dreaming only )

[d29565]

Well, I'm taking that risk for quite some time now, but it would be silly to be of a religious Order and not showing your colors.

I'd like to add that the killing of flagged Fraction players or religious NPCs should find a relation in the behaviour of the city guards, for example, as well. I always thought it silly to see city guards killed without other city guards running for help, and to have Kamist players in Pyr or Karavaneer players in Yrkanis killed without any reaction by the guards or the Kami/Karavan at the porters.

I don't think that the city guards should get involved with faction related things. I know that the majority of Trykers and Matisians (for instance) are Karavan, but I like to think what I drill into many of the people I live around IRL "seperation of "church" and state." Of course, it could be considered faction instead of church.

People who start a new character already know that your fame with either faction leans a certain way depending on your race, but that should be it in regards to what race (and therefore region) you pick vs. your factional alliance. I don't know the lore by heart, but I dont think that King Yrkanis wants to kill every Kamists (and therefore, pressures his cities guards to do it). Maybe he doesn't like zorai kamists (for example), but he shouldn't hate Matisian Kamists, just because he's a matisian karavaneer.

Does that make sense. (I'm trying to do a lot of remembering while writing).

What I mean to say, in short. City guards shouldn't attack based on faction (even if there is a faction battle going on in the city).

But, it would be cool if the karavan or kami in the area attacked in turn. Which would mean, don't fight near the Karavan/Kami teleporters.

[cushing]

I understand very well what you mean. Well, I don't hate Kamists at all. But if you have a fame system, and your fame is based upon, say, killing Karavaneer, there is no reason why the guards should not be aware of the fact that there's someone with a prize on his head in town.

In our Order we made it a rule to go to Zorai and Fyros unflagged, just to make sure we won't provoke those of a different belief. But in Matia and New Trykoth it's clear I show that I am a Karavaneer. I always find it a bit silly to be slained just for fun and mostly without fighting (I'm a healer) by Kamists while the city guards look on humming a funny melody or cleaning their nails, while they get crazy when someone storms through the entrance followed by a foul-mooded yubo. Just to make clear: I don't protest against being killed. I take that risk.

[d29565]

I dont think it should be the guards business to deal in faction stuff though. If it's racial fame, then have at it.

Maybe I can see the guards taking part if a battle is actively going on in the city, but I think they should be attacking both sides to say "hey, take it outside." As if it were a fight in a bar. (Or, if possible, they could attack the person who first hits whomever).

But anyway, I think I may have gotten slightly off topic, not sure

[kazaam31]

(Or, if possible, they could attack the person who first hits whomever).

That will be hard to code

[sidusar]

I dont think it should be the guards business to deal in faction stuff though. If it's racial fame, then have at it.

Maybe I can see the guards taking part if a battle is actively going on in the city, but I think they should be attacking both sides to say "hey, take it outside." As if it were a fight in a bar. (Or, if possible, they could attack the person who first hits whomever).

I concur, in Kamist vs Karavaneer fighting, only the Kami and Karavan guards should interfere. Anyone with a Zoraï/Fyros/Tryker flag fighting a Matis flagged character in Yrkanis, gets zapped by the city guards.

It's been made quite clear that the current Kami vs Karavan 'war' is strictly a volunteer war, and the nations are staying out of it. That means the Yrkanis guards have an obligation to stay out of it. Their duty is only to protect the Matis citizens, regardless of whether those citizens are Karavaneers or Kamists. Thus they can't go around zapping Kamists in favor of Karavaneers.

At least, not until the Higher Powers run an event where king Yrkanis becomes a Jinovichian and declares membership to his Matis club will be exclusive to Karavaneers from now on and all Kamists will be purged from the Verdant Heights.

And from a game-mechanic view, I like the city battles too much to want the guards to break them up. Getting killed if you get too close to the enemy altar would really help with the spawn-camping complains though

[danolt]

It's been made quite clear that the current Kami vs Karavan 'war' is strictly a volunteer war, and the nations are staying out of it.

The nations did sign a treaty saying they would not be part of the outpost conflicts. They have never said they were not influenced by the factions.

I think that each nation has a different view on this, for example every Zoari child is given to the Kami in order to receive the mask. Those children who refuse the mask do not return. The Matis are tied to the Karavan, in fact the prince was rescued by the Karavan. The Fyrosian government has prolly not forgotten that during the great fire the Karavan refused to open the TP's to the populace. The Trykers...well they are Trykers.

[iceaxe68]

The Trykers...well they are Trykers.

*dances happily*

[zarozina]

Personally I'd like to replace kami and karas with the national flags (of course dreaming only )

I would far more willingly be Fyros flagged than Kami. Not that I have thoughts of switching sides, but Ffi is MORE Fyros than she is Kami. Not that I'm much of a PvPer, lol, unless you count lying down as a positive trait. I'm gettin old and my reactions are too slow, lol

[sidusar]

They have never said they were not influenced by the factions.

Oh, I admit the nations are influenced rather heavily by the factions. I doubt a Matis Kamist and a Zoraï Karavaneer are going to rise to very high positions in their respective societies.

I just meant that the nations have, for now, agreed to tolerate those of different beliefs. There's no open war between the Matis nation and the Zoraï nation, nor is the Matis nation persecuting Kamists within it's borders (like they did under Jinovitch).

In this situation, it wouldn't be fitting for the Matis cityguard to shoot down Kamists attacking Karavaneers while ignoring Karavaneers attacking Kamists. Even though personally a lot of guards would probably like to do that.