Naming help!

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fjolnir
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mikwana wrote:Because it's a 'dead' language and departs from most of the anglo/english rules for names, and because of the meaning behind it. If I hadn't told you it was Celt, for example, would you have known?


Dead language? I can tell you've never been to Scotland. BBC even has a Gaelic radio channel there. So if I grew up in the highlands, yes, I probably would know what the word meant.


mikwana wrote:For that matter, why in game do we use english or german or french, or any other real language, how come we all arn't using Homin/Matis/Tryker etc? The answer is because we weren't brought up in these alien cultures using different grammer and vocabulary, there-fore we have to have some basis to build upon.


Precisely, and this shows the absurdity of the naming policy, and your slavish devotion to it. If we are to really escape our own culture, as the naming policy would have us do, then we would have to stop using our native languages and their standards of "foreign soundingness" that makes your name strange enough to be acceptable. It's no more an offense to the world of the game to have a character named "Joe Jackson," as to say in game "Hello, how are you Rhedyn?"

So why is the disbelief suspension threshold high enough to bar the former example and not the latter? We as English speakers have become accustomed to using names that are meaningless to us. This is largely because our names are taken from other languages in which they had meaning; think of common names such as Stella, Blanche, Peter. Our language is unique in this aspect, but it has not always been the case. There was a time when English names had meaning: Constance, Chastity, Felicity.

This restrictive view of what names can and should be is more representative of 20th-21st century Western culture than it is of human(oid) culture at large. How does it help the fantasy world to give it all of the peculiarities of our own particular culture, rather than give it a more naturalistic and universal characteristic such as meaningful names?
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hivewasp
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korin77 wrote:Camar a tha thu :)

Tha gu math :D
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I had missed the comment that identified the word as Welsh. Let me rephrase my above comment to say that if I had grown up in Wales, I might know the meaning of the word. I should add the following as my sig quote:

"If a lion could talk, we would not hear him." - Wittgenstein
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jdiegel
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For the record, I DID NOT name myself Auriga after some star ship in Alien vs Predator.

*grumble*
Been using this handle for 10 damn years then somebody goes and uses it in some cheesy ass movie.
*grumble*
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Re: Naming help!

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fjolnir wrote:Precisely, and this shows the absurdity of the naming policy, and your slavish devotion to it. If we are to really escape our own culture, as the naming policy would have us do, then we would have to stop using our native languages and their standards of "foreign soundingness" that makes your name strange enough to be acceptable. It's no more an offense to the world of the game to have a character named "Joe Jackson," as to say in game "Hello, how are you Rhedyn?"


For one, because it is an immersive experience. Seeing "Joe Jackson" in game would be just as 'distrubing' as seeing "Biznatch" or "L33td3wd" or "Killer23". And yes, I've seen 2 of those 3 examples.

Second, because it's the policy that everyone accepts every time they play.

Third, because the sound of the name does seem to fit some-what with Zoraï NPC names. So, while it may indeed have some meaning here, it also fits well with the genre.

Fourth, I was just trying to offer some help to people who have a hard time coming up with names, we all do occasionally, where's all this hostility coming from? I didn't say "your name sucks fjolnir, change it" relax. :)

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danadita wrote:
Soma is Thai for beautiful eyes and the Trykers do have those. There was a mild tweak of a memory when I saw the name but it took another guildmate to remind me it's also the name of the drug in Huxley's Brave New World. It's also Greek for "body" and a drug used in Eastern Indian religious ceremonies.


It's also short for Somacid.
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fjolnir
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I'm not being hostile, I'm just arguing that it's a bad policy. It's obvious from your posts that you support the policy, however. I don't think that you understood what I was saying in my last post, either. Yes, I understand that you want to try to immerse yourself into the game, but there's a limit to how far you may immerse yourself. To the extent that you use English, you are not immersing yourself. And Joe Jackson is an English name. Coming up with strange or foreign sounding names is a cheesy "science-fictiony" way to make a fantasy immersive. And I don't mean to say that science fiction necessarily is that way, but that it largely is that way to its detriment.

By the way, Fjolnir is not my toon's name. My toon's name is Jethro. I decided to make an unattractive character (fat torso, skinny limbs, bizzare face) and to give him a name that was suitably unnatractive. Jethro is actually a Hebrew name, the literal meaning of which I do not know. I chose the name not for its literal meaning, but for its meaning to our culture. Fjolnir would have been an unnaceptable name. As an obscure name of the Norse god Othin, Fjolnir would have violated rule #8.
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jdiegel wrote:For the record, I DID NOT name myself Auriga after some star ship in Alien vs Predator.

*grumble*
Been using this handle for 10 damn years then somebody goes and uses it in some cheesy ass movie.
*grumble*


hah same here, I used this name long before Korin-soth ever was a villian in Dragonlance series or Korin from Dragonball Z was ever conceived.
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gules
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hivewasp wrote:Tha gu math :D

*whimpers*
Scots Gaelic makes Gules a sad Tryker. I go to a summer camp in Nova Scotia and habitually study pipeband drumming and Highland Dance. For electives I've taken Gaelic Language and Gaelic Song, and Gaelic is seriously far too difficult. Why? Because English uses the same alphabet... in completely different ways. What sane person could bend their mind around the idea that mh = v? ph34r.

Incidentally, I think it's cIamar a tha thu. ;)
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korin77 wrote:You know whats funny? You're the 20th person I've met with a name beginning with an R, a Y somewhere in the name, and ending with an N.


LoL corinne are you trying to brag thats realllllly funny

you should include your in game preferred title too

or are you trying to find a date....you shoudl make sure they know your a guy....korin does sound kinda girly
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