..and speaking of Neutrality..

[meloner]

1. TPs only for neutrals. Yes and nobody else. And at least as many as Kara or kami ones.

Id like to point out that teleport pacts are a creation of the higher powers.

In return for your deeds of merit we will offer you pacts to restore your life energy, and to teleport through the corridors of time.

She has invested us with divine authority to resurrect your spirit, to teleport you to distant lands

[ghostkpt]

Id like to point out that teleport pacts are a creation of the higher powers.

Elias Tryton could have returned from his mission to the deep roots with new knowledge of how to harness natural powers of atys to create these same "corridors in time"....

Or even better he could return with proof that these "gifts" of higher powers are really a fraude and that atys itself allows for teleportation and restoration of life through the use of the sap currents flowing through it's veins

Why not? After all it's the saga, which means that something has to happen from time to time and that things can change

[danolt]

The rise of a third faction would require some pretty significant changes to the back story and cultures of the present factions and nationalities. Somehow a third faction would have to gain the ability to respawn and teleport Homins. If these abilities become Homin controlled then the existing factions become pointless.

Ryzom was designed as a two faction game. The story has already been outlined and it is quite possible that given time and/or new worlds dozens of new factions could arise. To arbitrarily add a new faction at this point, might as well add undead and orcs.

Within the existing game there is just no room for a third faction to develop without completely abandoning the storyline, themes and plot that brought us to this point. Also a third "official" faction still means two factions as far as PvP goes. Eventually, and most likely very quickly, two factions would ally against the 3rd.

If it makes sense and fits in with the existing story I am all for adding anything. I hope that GF will continue to listen to what the players want but will be guided by the original vision of the game and not cave into the desires of the 3% of players who are vocal on the boards.

Please do not abandon the Saga. Ryzom is known for its story. I like this game because I play a character in a complicated world. There are rarely comfortable or easy choices here and that is very, very uncommon in an MMO. I do not think GF can successfully market this game on graphics and skill sets. It is the story that makes Ryzom attractive, abandon that and I think most folks will go to a game that has much larger resources.

[xtarsia]

last i knew the story IS ABANDONED ANYWAYS.

unless someone from GF wants to proove this wrong?

(and the only proof anyone should accept is a genuine game mechanic based event.)

and yes i know there doing patches ect ect, and we want to polish the game before we move the story along BLAH BLAH BLAH.


turn on the freaking invasion engine for 1 week.
activate the temple wars for another week. (none of the temples are finnished as far as i can tell)


heck, even make some silly story about a new goo infestation in jen lai, make ALL the NPCs in jen lai high level Agro. and have some way that ppl can dig "goo" in jen lai, while others have to guard the diggers from the crazed NPCs ?

dig enough Goo, and the Goo gets pushed back,maybe some crazy super GOO NPC boss that comes during the event and some titles for the diggers/guards/boss slayers to earn??


an event like that would be almost purely Nuetral AND let both factioned players take part.

Nuetrals want the goo back, Kami want the goo pushed back, karvan want to harvest the goo to research it..

covers everyones interests =)


(slightly of topic i know but anyways - might make a new thread for this)

PS. i voted maybe, depending on details

[katriell]

I voted "no, doesn't have a place in Ryzom" because neutrals are just too diverse to become a coherent alliance or faction. Neutrality has no single meaning or definition here, therefore little upon which to base a faction.

However, I'm not against the idea of additional factions. The more options in that regard, the more complex the game and modern-lore becomes (and "confusing," perhaps, but that's a good thing IMO).

Atys is not a world of black-and-white, good vs. evil, etc. It's shades of grey, and restricting it to two factions fighting pointlessly forever is unsupportive of that. Therefore, I'm very happy that Nevrax chose to include a neutral option in the first place, and as I said before, I'm not opposed to the possibility of further factions. In fact, there already is a third faction, Trytonism; it's just quiet for some reason.

[beaut666]

Great responses guys! Good stuff for the podcast! And everytime I start yelping bout something I realize that I don't know near as much bout Ryzom as some players, and can always learn something from this community.
Xtar, I really liked your post. I think it was a sign of the aggravation you're feeling, and that I feel sometimes. I KNOW GF is working hard, but this World is a lot to handle for anyone.
And so that is why I always suggest or bounce the idea around about doing something completely for ourselves. To say that we shouldn't declare a neutral guild/op/faction because it is against lore doesn't hold water really, because what I am suggesting has nothing to do with game mechanics allowing it, or is something that would stick out like "cell phones" or "cars"...it is actually taking the world of Atys as a real place, with real beings that feel the same things we do, in "real life". Even in a society like Atys, there would be those that, regardless of what is in front of their face (little furry monsters and mysterious caped watchers) they would still doubt.
Kami and Karavan, to me, AND to my character (something me and my main agree on!) are simply a FAITH. None of us Homins KNOW anything, wether told, seen or heard. We take it all on FAITH. To me, faith tells you to "wait and see". I prefer to have hope. Hope says "I don't know, so I'm going about it my way, and I would like it to go alright."
Sorry to be off topic-ish, and trust me, I mean no disrespect to any of our religious Homin friends. But I will look up that third faction now, and will do a feature on them on the next 'cast.
Beau

[beaut666]

Somehow a third faction would have to gain the ability to respawn and teleport Homins. If these abilities become Homin controlled then the existing factions become pointless.

Dang it! I didnt think of this! Hmmm...maybe we rent them? But I'd have to say that I Am neutral now, and still get teleported when I die. Maybe its the same thing...I'm truely neutral now, or as close as you could be, i think, and they still teleport me.
Beau

[stijn]

See like this maybe: God (father of Christ ) loves of every single homin... euhm humen on Earth. And will 'forgive' and help him as long a man doenst oppose him (eg neutrals).
But the real rewards are only for those who really are converted to the Catholic Religien, you know heaven and stuff (so the "250/PR Tp's).

So suppose Mah-Duk = God, and Jena = Mohammed or Buddha orso (just giving examples, dont seek anything behind it ) and I think it makes sense, well sort of

And if you see it this way, I think its kinda impossible to let homins give control over the tp powers. Maybe a tirth "God" could take care of it, but dunno, dont think there is place for a 3th God/faction on Atys

[iwojimmy]

From memory, Elias Tryton had some kind of special access to TPs, probably picked up a copy of the keys back when he was shagging Jena
Depending on how you interpret the Lore, there is scope for 'hacked' TPs..
No matter how powerful the Karavan and Kami are relative to Homins, they are at a reduced level themselves - with the Karavan stranded on Atys waiting for Jena to get back, and the Kami weakened by the goo and Ma-Duk desperately in need of a reinstall and a couple of service packs to return it to its program.
The forces inherent in Atys itself far outweigh the 'powers', so a Homin who has access to Karavan knowledge and technology, without being indoctrinated into the cult, has the potential to stand (almost) equal to the K guys. And Elias Tryton - part of the original Lore - fits the bill pretty well. Of course, he would still need to be fast on his feet, and very sneaky.

So as an official faction.. Trytonism works. but the tenets of it dont lend themselves to PvP much.
For gratuitous conflict Racial faction tagging sounds more beleivable.. with hordes of trykers stoning Zoraï visitors to Fairhaven, and Tryker tourists getting kidnapped and sold into slavery in foreign lands, Matisian expatriates being burnt out of their apartments in Pyr, City guards everywhere stopping people and checking their papers...
It all feels so much cleaner than this nasty religious persecution we have now

[katriell]

What are the Ring terminals? What powers the transporters therein? The homin NPC next to it says nothing conclusive about its origin.